Stoeger Tactical Coach Gun

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Win/64 said:
You don't reload? So all you shoot is factory ammo? Was this part of your extensive training? If you don't reload, How can you have an opinion on anything? How does it feel protecting you and your loved ones with Walmart shells?
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Please explain how reloading has anything to do with effective gear and tactics? I'll let you in on a secret. You can buy loaded slugs and buckshot as well as the family fun packs of birdshot. No sh*t, I'm serious.:rolleyes:

TDC
 
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made Man said:
wow. i give up.

This is like talking to a f**king brick wall.

At home defense ranges any sort of shot will have almost no spread, and if you miss, no risk of over penetration. It will still be just over an ounce of lead backed by the plastic wad (that on its own makes a nice hole in plywood btw) going at the perp.

But hey, f**k logic, eh! Go ahead and blast 5 rounds out of your semi auto, reload, and pump some more out, most likely missing everything and killing your neighbor's kid by accident. I'll see ya at your manslaughter trial.
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You're right, at short range the spread of any load will be relatively non existent. So why run a shotgun in the first place? Hence the rifle statement posted earlier.

Somehow you've concluded that two rounds from a SXS would be right on target, but 5 rounds out of a semi have no chance at all of hitting the mark. Some sound logic there. Tell me, would a semi auto chambered in .223 provide for better muzzle control, or a 12ga(of any operation) with buck or slug?

TDC
 
TDC said:
Who said anything about being an "expert"? I'm simply stating some sound logic with regards to effective gear and tactics.

TDC
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Holy Shyte!! We have 20 pages of you professing to be an expert... on anything and everything. What happened? Getting humble in your old age?
 
tdc said:
please explain how reloading has anything to do with effective gear and tactics? I'll let you in on a secret. You can buy loaded slugs and buckshot as well as the family fun packs of birdshot. No sh*t, i'm serious.:rolleyes:

Tdc
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wtf?
 
Win/64 said:
Holy Shyte!! We have 20 pages of you professing to be an expert... on anything and everything. What happened? Getting humble in your old age?
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Where did I ever say I was an expert?? Please link me to the post. I'm posting sound logic on tactics and gear. Seeing how no one has effectively argued against what I've posted, one would conclude that the information is either correct, or that one side hasn't a clue what is being discussed.

TDC
 
TDC said:
You're right, at short range the spread of any load will be relatively non existent. So why run a shotgun in the first place? Hence the rifle statement posted earlier.

Somehow you've concluded that two rounds from a SXS would be right on target, but 5 rounds out of a semi have no chance at all of hitting the mark. Some sound logic there. Tell me, would a semi auto chambered in .223 provide for better muzzle control, or a 12ga(of any operation) with buck or slug?

TDC
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again, why am i being suckered right into this one again?

IF or WHEN you miss a .223 will go through more wall than say #4 shot. IF or WHEN you hit the bad guy, shot will NOT go out his back side and into a wall with a risk of hitting someone else.

BUT if you want to play around with just numbers, my single has 26 or 28" barrel. How long is the barrel on your AR15 (that is suppose to be kept pretty damn locked up thus making it useless for HD) or that Mini 14 (that is not known for its accuracy)? I bet a heck of a lot shorter. So which one is going to be more accurate?


f**k.

Is that clear enough for you or do I need to spell it out?

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that one side hasn't a clue what is being discussed.
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so far it is you against a few people. guess which side doesnt have a clue.
Want a hint?
 
TDC said:
Please explain how reloading has anything to do with effective gear and tactics? I'll let you in on a secret. You can buy loaded slugs and buckshot as well as the family fun packs of birdshot. No sh*t, I'm serious.:rolleyes:

TDC
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I think you are serious. The fact that you replied to Win/64's last remark, worries me:eek:
 
made Man said:
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again, why am i being suckered right into this one again?

IF or WHEN you miss a .223 will go through more wall than say #4 shot. IF or WHEN you hit the bad guy, shot will NOT go out his back side and into a wall with a risk of hitting someone else.

BUT if you want to play around with just numbers, my single has 26 or 28" barrel. How long is the barrel on your AR15 (that is suppose to be kept pretty damn locked up thus making it useless for HD) or that Mini 14 (that is not known for its accuracy)? I bet a heck of a lot shorter. So which one is going to be more accurate?


f**k.

Is that clear enough for you or do I need to spell it out?
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Wow. News flash, we're discussing short range shooting, say inside 25 yards probably more like inside 10 yards for the average home. Barrel length does not play in. More importantly, your shotgun is a smooth bore, the rifle is not. You're running a glorified piece of pipe with multiple round lead balls in a plastic shot cup. I see the high level of accuracy that can be achieved with such a setup. Although at the ranges being discussed, it isn't an issue for either system. Your 26/28" barrel is rather difficult to maneuver indoors, yet another negative to running a SXS.

As for rifles, you could be running anything listed below and still remain "legal." Although rapid access to ones restricted firearms isn't unheard of.

Mini 14
Ar180B
Tavor
Type 97
Swiss Arms Classic
HK SL8
VZ 858(if you want to go up a small step in recoil)

So IF and WHEN you miss with the shotgun what will happen? Right, the same thing when you miss with a rifle. Check the link below, the tests aren't super scientific but it gets the point across. Drywall doesn't stop sh*t, get over it.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm

TDC
 
TDC said:
Wow. News flash, we're discussing short range shooting, say inside 25 yards probably more like inside 10 yards for the average home. Barrel length does not play in. More importantly, your shotgun is a smooth bore, the rifle is not. You're running a glorified piece of pipe with multiple round lead balls in a plastic shot cup. I see the high level of accuracy that can be achieved with such a setup. Although at the ranges being discussed, it isn't an issue for either system. Your 26/28" barrel is rather difficult to maneuver indoors, yet another negative to running a SXS.

As for rifles, you could be running anything listed below and still remain "legal." Although rapid access to ones restricted firearms isn't unheard of.

Mini 14
Ar180B
Tavor
Type 97
Swiss Arms Classic
HK SL8
VZ 858(if you want to go up a small step in recoil)

So IF and WHEN you miss with the shotgun what will happen? Right, the same thing when you miss with a rifle. Check the link below, the tests aren't super scientific but it gets the point across. Drywall doesn't stop sh*t, get over it.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm

TDC
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And what is your point? Pointing out that 223 will #### up dry wall? That is what i was trying to tell you all along. How well will shot do after? I'll tell you right now, from my own test in the boonies, NOT SO ####ING WELL.
But that is where the awesome power of the shotgun comes in handy. They used #4 buck. What keeps me from putting #4 shot, or even 7 1/2 in there?

As for missing. I have more luck hitting targets with my shotgun that i do with the .22. It is what i feel comfortable with the most. It will not jam, misfire, nothing. It fires every time, there is no short pumping it, nothing mechanical to go wrong, and i can swing it if needed.

If you tell me your .223 never misfired or jammed, i'd call you a liar. Now, how well can you perform IAs while being charged by dozen armed guys :jerkit: ?
 
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