Stopping a bear
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If Yogi is within 30 yards, is PO'd at you and charging, you're toast. He can run at 35 mph. If you can get a shot off and hit his spine, you might stop him before he's on you. That's highly unlikely though.
"...legal to shoot that bear with a .22 rimfire?..." Hunting Yogi with a .22RF isn't legal anywhere.
"...legal to shoot that bear with a .22 rimfire?..." Hunting Yogi with a .22RF isn't legal anywhere.
- Location
- Back in the Peace Country
Ok . So you were up in a tree hunting over bait with a shotgun loaded with bird shot in shell one, buck shot in shell two and a slug in shell three?
That is definitely illegal.
You shot it then with a .22 rimfire instead !!!
Definitely illegal.
Were you hunting bear at the time?
What were you hunting with the 3 shells you had loaded? seems very strange load sequence for bear hunting.
was the kill reported to wildlife CO as a self defense kill?
This is a very strange story. Please please clarify.
That is definitely illegal.
You shot it then with a .22 rimfire instead !!!
Definitely illegal.
Were you hunting bear at the time?
What were you hunting with the 3 shells you had loaded? seems very strange load sequence for bear hunting.
was the kill reported to wildlife CO as a self defense kill?
This is a very strange story. Please please clarify.
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Mike Oxbig
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Scarborough Ontario
Killing a Grizley with a 22lr is like stoning a person to death. It's not a clean kill and very painful on the recipient and you're likely to piss it off more than scare it!.
If it was all you have on you at the time of the attack then fine. But saying that your 22 will save your life...... Well i hope you have a semi and I hope it's a very big magazine!!!!
If it was all you have on you at the time of the attack then fine. But saying that your 22 will save your life...... Well i hope you have a semi and I hope it's a very big magazine!!!!
I certainly would not want to depend on a 22lr for protection from bears,but the truth is that with perfect shot placement,a 22lr can provide a quick clean kill on a large grizzly.A woman named Bella Twin killed one of the largest grizzly bears on record with a 22 single shot.
- Location
- Back in the Peace Country
I'm sure I could kill one with a knitting needle, but not preferred!
The 22 wasn't used as defense, it was shot from a tree stand. I am serious, I'd like to know the story. Enough people give us bad names without the need of us doing it ourselves. if there is missing information that makes it sound a bit better (or legal) it would be nice.
The 22 wasn't used as defense, it was shot from a tree stand. I am serious, I'd like to know the story. Enough people give us bad names without the need of us doing it ourselves. if there is missing information that makes it sound a bit better (or legal) it would be nice.
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The shottie load is a standard defense load for a charger. A cloud of 7 and a half is more likely to hit and blind , you side step, a smaller pattern of buck to slow him some more , then when he's real close a slug under the nose to take out the base of the brain. About 40 yers ago I found a stand and climbed it to survey the area - unbenownst to me there was a bait buried at the bottom, (blackies nose was better than mine) , I figured the .22 bouncin off his beanie would scare him away. Boy was I surprised when he dropped. I cant say for sure what the caliber rules were back then but there werent many or any for northern zones . I remember restrictions on big bores in the southern zones though.Back in those days I've seen moose taken with .44 handguns, and partridge with 9mm's - no rangers around, but then again no people. From what I hear wearing day glo nowadays is a good idea -
The shottie load is a standard defense load for a charger. A cloud of 7 and a half is more likely to hit and blind , you side step, a smaller pattern of buck to slow him some more , then when he's real close a slug under the nose to take out the base of the brain. About 40 yers ago I found a stand and climbed it to survey the area - unbenownst to me there was a bait buried at the bottom, (blackies nose was better than mine) , I figured the .22 bouncin off his beanie would scare him away. Boy was I surprised when he dropped.
I cant say for sure what the caliber rules were back then but there werent many or any for northern zones . I remember restrictions on big bores in the southern zones though.Back in those days I've seen moose taken with .44 handguns, and partridge with 9mm's - no rangers around, but then again no people. From what I hear wearing day glo nowadays is a good idea -By the way
Just fer smokey the bear - I SAW and have NO IDEA who those nefarious freedom loving anti - liberal individuals were that were excercising there god given right to harvest food with with god given tools. Must have been indiginous not requiring to obey white mans law types.
Just fer smokey the bear - I SAW and have NO IDEA who those nefarious freedom loving anti - liberal individuals were that were excercising there god given right to harvest food with with god given tools. Must have been indiginous not requiring to obey white mans law types.
I have so far shot 2 bears, both with 30-06. First one was pretty small (under 100lbs) bang flop, double lung at about 100yds. The second one was a bit bigger 125-140 or so (female) took two shots as the first one was just behind the lungs she just turned and slowly walked away with 180gr of lead in her hip after passing through the liver, second shot, again missed the lungs as it was a poor angle but travelled through the neck and exited the forehead.
This spring I plan to take one with either a bow or my 7mm-08, my plan is to hunt the bow until the last 45 minutes or so and then go rifle, as I would hate to have to follow a bloodtrail at night if he wasn't completely dead.
If I were carrying something just for protection, I would like to have a 12G or a 44 mag carbine. But for hunting I would be comfortable with anything .243 and up.
This spring I plan to take one with either a bow or my 7mm-08, my plan is to hunt the bow until the last 45 minutes or so and then go rifle, as I would hate to have to follow a bloodtrail at night if he wasn't completely dead.
If I were carrying something just for protection, I would like to have a 12G or a 44 mag carbine. But for hunting I would be comfortable with anything .243 and up.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
A .22 rimfire has no place in any bear/human interaction. Clearly in a dangerous bear scenario the gun you have with you is the best one, but a mouse gun is not the best choice in bear country. One can look longingly at Alaska where a fellow can carry a powerful handgun while he is plinking ptarmigan with his .22 rifle, or conversely carry a .22 belt gun for small game and a powerful rifle for serious work.
If a shotgun is going to be used for bear work, it is no more difficult to make a good shot with a slug or buck shot than it is to make a shot with bird shot. Even as a kid, when I heard stories about the old timers loading a blinder charge of bird shot in one barrel and a slug in the other of a double gun I figured they just reduced their chances of survival by 50%. Bird shot has a place in the defensive shotgun when a bear is breaking into your house and over penetration will endanger other people and the range is contact close.
The proper criteria to determine if a hunting rifle cartridge is suitable for any particular game animal is if you can count on it to produce a killing shot from any angle at the maximum range it will be fired from. When you have to qualify your choice by saying, "it'll work with a broadside shot", you've made a poor choice. The criteria must include that a single properly placed shot has a reasonable expectation of dropping the game, rather than a fusillade of shots.
The proper criteria for the defensive rifle, shotgun, or handgun is that it is the most powerful arm you have mastered. If you can shoot that firearm from any position, and shoot it well enough to place your bullet within a couple of inches of your aiming point under time pressure, on demand every time, you've made the correct choice. If you can only shoot the rifle off hand, you have not taken into account that you might not be standing when you need to shoot. While most of us can manage the 12 gauge - fewer of us can manage the 4, while most of us can manage a .357 - fewer of us can manage the .475 Linebaugh, and while most of us can manage a .30/06 - fewer of us can manage the .585 Nyatti.
If a shotgun is going to be used for bear work, it is no more difficult to make a good shot with a slug or buck shot than it is to make a shot with bird shot. Even as a kid, when I heard stories about the old timers loading a blinder charge of bird shot in one barrel and a slug in the other of a double gun I figured they just reduced their chances of survival by 50%. Bird shot has a place in the defensive shotgun when a bear is breaking into your house and over penetration will endanger other people and the range is contact close.
The proper criteria to determine if a hunting rifle cartridge is suitable for any particular game animal is if you can count on it to produce a killing shot from any angle at the maximum range it will be fired from. When you have to qualify your choice by saying, "it'll work with a broadside shot", you've made a poor choice. The criteria must include that a single properly placed shot has a reasonable expectation of dropping the game, rather than a fusillade of shots.
The proper criteria for the defensive rifle, shotgun, or handgun is that it is the most powerful arm you have mastered. If you can shoot that firearm from any position, and shoot it well enough to place your bullet within a couple of inches of your aiming point under time pressure, on demand every time, you've made the correct choice. If you can only shoot the rifle off hand, you have not taken into account that you might not be standing when you need to shoot. While most of us can manage the 12 gauge - fewer of us can manage the 4, while most of us can manage a .357 - fewer of us can manage the .475 Linebaugh, and while most of us can manage a .30/06 - fewer of us can manage the .585 Nyatti.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Uh, no.
She hit that bear many times, in the head - I've seen a pic of the skull.
But while we're on the subject of .22's and bears, black bears get killed every year by trappers with .22 rifles.
When I'm hiking on the line I don't carry two rifles, and when I was on a fly in line I rarely even looked at a centerfire rifle.
The .22 is the tool of choice, ad your head will get you out of a situation faster than a rifle. however, there are times when it can and has been used for other than what it ws designed for....
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- Location
- Back in the Peace Country
"was huntin with a 12 gauge sittin in a tree - the 22 was fer plinkin so I plinked when he came to dig up the bait - expected to use the shottie but was surprised I didnt have to "
Funny you left out the "unknown bait" in your original story.
You claim you were in a treestand hunting with a 12 gauge loaded; bird shot, buck then slug.
What were you hunting!!!!???
It's either BS or something is definitely amiss.
Why in self defense would you shoot the bear with the .22 when you had a 12 gauge loaded for self defense beside you and in your post you even explain how you use a 12 gauge for bear defense. If you're .22 was for plinking and the 12 gauge loaded for bear defense, what were you hunting? or was there a third gun, possibly .303 behind the grassy nole
Just own up ! Everyone makes mistakes.
Did you just want to see if the .22 could take him out?
That would be a bit ####ty, but much more understandable then
the strange story of tree stand hunting over bait you didn't know was there with a .22 for plinking and a 12 gauge loaded bird shot, buck shot then slug, and in self defense you bang flopped the bear with the.22 even though you claim you had your 12 gauge loaded for self defense.
That's the end of my interest in the story.
I am not attcking, just very very confused at the story
Funny you left out the "unknown bait" in your original story.
You claim you were in a treestand hunting with a 12 gauge loaded; bird shot, buck then slug.
What were you hunting!!!!???
It's either BS or something is definitely amiss.
Why in self defense would you shoot the bear with the .22 when you had a 12 gauge loaded for self defense beside you and in your post you even explain how you use a 12 gauge for bear defense
. If you're .22 was for plinking and the 12 gauge loaded for bear defense, what were you hunting? or was there a third gun, possibly .303 behind the grassy noleJust own up ! Everyone makes mistakes.
Did you just want to see if the .22 could take him out?
That would be a bit ####ty, but much more understandable then
the strange story of tree stand hunting over bait you didn't know was there with a .22 for plinking and a 12 gauge loaded bird shot, buck shot then slug, and in self defense you bang flopped the bear with the.22 even though you claim you had your 12 gauge loaded for self defense.
That's the end of my interest in the story.
I am not attcking, just very very confused at the story
