Storage and visit for a safety check confusion

Wretched said:
As for the police providing notice, if you read the section it does state:

Use of force

(3) In carrying out an inspection of a place under subsection (1), an inspector may not use force.


I'm no lawyer, but I believe that to mean they can't bust down your door to do it - therefore notice would be required?

There are a couple of seemingly learned people here on CGN. Perhaps they will make their opinion known?
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Pursuant to Section 104(1) of the Firearms Act:

An inspector may not enter a dwelling-house under section 102 except
(a) on reasonable notice to the owner or occupant, except where a business is being carried on in the dwelling-house; and
(b) with the consent of the occupant or under a warrant.
 
Still alive said:
Err, I assume your "long gun cabinet" is lockable, correct?
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Yes My long gun cabinet is locked. It has a locked door that has the bolts go up and down like the school locker and is bolted to the cement wall.
It inside a small storage room which is also locked. So Locked room then locked cabinet then items with trigger locks!
 
capp325 said:
Pursuant to Section 104(1) of the Firearms Act:

An inspector may not enter a dwelling-house under section 102 except
(a) on reasonable notice to the owner or occupant, except where a business is being carried on in the dwelling-house; and
(b) with the consent of the occupant or under a warrant.
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Noted thanks!
 
capp325 said:
There seems to be some confusion as to what constitutes a "safe" for the purposes the Firearms Act. In R. v. Barnes (the infamous "Johnny Sombero" case from a few years ago), the Ontario Court of Justice held that a metal gun cabinet is, in fact, considered a safe. Some key excerpts from that decision:



Full decision can be found here:

https://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/2011/2011oncj419/2011oncj419.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAMaGFycnkgYmFybmVzAAAAAAE&resultIndex=1

Of course, this is a trial-level decision that has never been appealed. A different judge, in a different case, might come to a different conclusion. However, as of today, I am not aware of any law or case stating that a stack-on type gun cabinet is not a safe. Doesn't mean that it's not a good idea to get something a little more substantial to be on the safe side (pun in

tended).
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agree with you that it's not clear. But I wouldn't want to spend a lot of cash to find out. For me if I had a cabinet I would trigger lock. A vault or gun room I would not. Cheers
 
RookieGuy said:
Just an extra word of advice. I already have a long gun cabinet so is it ok to store the handgun in the same cabinet until I buy a safe?
All items will be trigger locked of course.
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That's all you need for legal...I store my NR long guns with my Restricted's in Stack on cabinets. I have kids so made the decision to trigger lock them all. $7 for a combo trigger lock at Canadian Tire added to the cost of every firearm purchase is inexpensive piece of mind. I have a separate locked wooden armoire for ammo...simple, legal and keeps curious little fingers away. Burger alarm and large dogs to keep everyone else away.
 
Innavedaw said:
That's all you need for legal...I store my NR long guns with my Restricted's in Stack on cabinets. I have kids so made the decision to trigger lock them all. $7 for a combo trigger lock at Canadian Tire added to the cost of every firearm purchase is inexpensive piece of mind. I have a separate locked wooden armoire for ammo...simple, legal and keeps curious little fingers away. Burger alarm and large dogs to keep everyone else away.
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Awesome thank you! I have large dogs myself lol.
 
msnively said:
I DO leave mine in their cases while in the safe... At the moment..
I only have 4 firearms, and they all fit in the safe in their cases. But I KNOW that down the road I'll slowly get more and more and then there won't be room. So storing just the firearms in the safe/cabinet, while the Cases are stored in a closet will work.
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This is a bad idea, the plastic cases that your gun comes in is packed in foam that holds moisture. Years of storing your guns like this will have a negative impact on your investments. Leaving them in a leather holster for long periods of time will yield same or similar effects. Just an FYI, YMMV.
 
Ultimately, just trigger lock 'em all - that's my theory.

Even if you do get all cool and pull it out of the cabinet/slash/safe to handle it for a second - trigger lock can't make it seem anything other than innocent.


It's both sad and understandable that we need to really sit down and figure these things out - you read of little kids (recently) getting ahold of their parents pistols and kids being orphaned. Lock it. Lock it agan, And then lock it behind a door.

Simple enough, really.

Of dourse, I speak from the opinion of a father that knows how easily kids can get into things...
 
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Wretched said:
Ultimately, just trigger lock 'em all - that's my theory.

Even if you do get all cool and pull it out of the cabinet/slash/safe to handle it for a second - trigger lock can't make it seem anything other than innocent.


It's both sad and understandable that we need to really sit down and figure these things out - you read of little kids (recently) getting ahold of their parents pistols and kids being orphaned. Lock it. Lock it agan, And then lock it behind a door.



Simple enough, really.

Of dourse, I speak from the opinion of a father that knows how easily kids can get into things...
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I totally agree I am a father myself! I have locks and more locks and trigger locks also.
Thanks
 
One thing to keep in mind is that the law prescribes a minimum standard for safe storage. Your "personal minimums" may be higher than that depending on your personal circumstances. I learned as a private pilot that conditions that are "legal" to fly in does not automatically mean that they are safe, depending on pilot skill level, equipment, human factors, etc.

For me, with young kids at home, trigger locks on all firearms, stored in appropriate cabinets/safes with keys locked in a "me-only" lockbox is my minimum standard. Remember that unlicensed family members must not have access to firearms and ammunition, so my spouse and kids do not have the combinations to the safe or trigger locks.

Ditto for transport - everything has trigger locks in opaque locked cases, not just restricteds.

Do what is both legal and right for you in your own circumstances, to your own "personal minimums".
 
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