Storage Opinions or "Am I legal?"

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Thanks for taking the time to read this CGN'rs .

I recently purchased my first restricted pistol, and now have it at home. I think I am storing it legally but I would like more experienced opinions.

I have my Beretta with a cable lock through the breech and the mag well, this is stored inside a floor mounted safe. I also have the magazines (unloaded) and the ammuntion inside a locked box inside the same floor mounted safe.

So basically am I legal, or do I need to store the ammunition somewhere else?

Thanks again, I promise this will be the last stupid question outta me.....for at least a day or so :-D
 
All restricted firearms must be "double locked" a trigger lock and inside a locked case, it can be a tool box or a briefacase or a "Gun safe/cabinet" but it has to be double locked.

If you have a glass fronted gun cabinet all of your firearms within it must be trigger or action locked... you cannot store Restricted firearms in a glass fronted case.... as this would only provide a single lock, unless your 2nd locked case, ie: a locked gun tote or locked toolbox is in your glass fronted Gun case. (you would still need to have the firearm trigger locked inside the tote or box)

You are not required to keep ammo in your "locked case" either, it has to be stored seperatly, it can be in the same room but it must be in a different "container" than the firearms. The other container does not however need to be locked. You can store your mags with your firearm as long as they are unloaded, if they are loaded they must be stored with your ammo.

This only applies to RESTRICTED firearms, if they are non-restricted #1bcshooter is absolutly correct.......
 
Below is right off the RCMP web site . Restricted do not req a second locking device if stored in a safe

Restricted and prohibited firearms
Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into; or
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
For an automatic firearm, also remove the bolt or bolt carrier (if removable) and lock it in a separate room that is hard to break into.
 
notsorichguy said:
All restricted firearms must be "double locked" a trigger lock and inside a locked case, it can be a tool box or a briefacase or a "Gun safe/cabinet" but it has to be double locked.

If you have a glass fronted gun cabinet all of your firearms within it must be trigger or action locked... you cannot store Restricted firearms in a glass fronted case.... as this would only provide a single lock, unless your 2nd locked case, ie: a locked gun tote or locked toolbox is in your glass fronted Gun case. (you would still need to have the firearm trigger locked inside the tote or box)

You are not required to keep ammo in your "locked case" either, it has to be stored seperatly, it can be in the same room but it must be in a different "container" than the firearms. The other container does not however need to be locked. You can store your mags with your firearm as long as they are unloaded, if they are loaded they must be stored with your ammo.

This only applies to RESTRICTED firearms, if they are non-restricted #1bcshooter is absolutly correct.......
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Most of that is nonsense............please edit so new shooters get it right.
 
I have a 18" x 24" x 9" fairly heavy metal box lagged to the floor. It's got "Property of B.C.H. & P. A." stamped on the front. I think it was some kind of old electrical box. It takes a padlock and is my hard to break into box until I buy some bigger fancier looking safe.

I'll probably cable lock the m213's to a big eye bolt inside of this box. Is it cool to put all my .22 and rifle ammo in there if there is no pistol ammo in the same box? Part of it is just housekeeping. Nice to have it in one spot.

I'm probably doing the nervous overkill thing too but it's better than not. Besides, a Chinese 9mm is not for home defense.. M213's don't hold enough ammo and it looks really bad when you have to clear the FTE's. :)

Ryan
 
if i remember correctly you can keep loaded mags in the safe also with in the gun

..someone correct me if im wrong..
 
I'll edit for you:

notsorichguy said:
All restricted firearms must be "double locked" a trigger lock and inside a locked case, it can be a tool box or a briefacase or a "Gun safe/cabinet" but it has to be double locked.

If it's in a safe it doesn't need to be double locked. If it's in the box the gun came in, then yes it needs a trigger/cable and the box needs to be locked.

If you have a glass fronted gun cabinet all of your firearms within it must be trigger or action locked... you cannot store Restricted firearms in a glass fronted case.... as this would only provide a single lock, unless your 2nd locked case, ie: a locked gun tote or locked toolbox is in your glass fronted Gun case. (you would still need to have the firearm trigger locked inside the tote or box) You don't need a trigger lock on a restricted if it's in a safe.
You are not required to keep ammo in your "locked case" either, it has to be stored seperatly, it can be in the same room but it must be in a different "container" than the firearms. The other container does not however need to be locked. You can store your mags with your firearm as long as they are unloaded, if they are loaded they must be stored with your ammo.
You can keep ammo with your restricted in a safe so long as the gun is unloaded. You can keep loaded mags in there as well.
This only applies to RESTRICTED firearms, if they are non-restricted #1bcshooter is absolutly correct.......
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YOu have a safe, feel free to keep your Baretta with no cable lock inside it. You may also store loaded magazines in there as well, provided the gun is unloaded.

You do not require the second lock box inside the safe for the ammo, this is way overkill.
 
Thats funny... I was told buy the People who taught the course I took to get my restricted license (both RCMP Officers BTW) The PROPPER & Legal way to store firearms is...... exactly what I stated above.

If I am wrong.... I am very sorry for the bad advice...... I will belive the Police Officer who told me the way it had to be stored over some guy on the internet......

I store all of my Firearms in 3 "safes" as I have too may to fit in just 1 or 2... All of my restricted's are stored in the safe, with a trigger lock. All of my non's are stored in the same safes but without the trigger locks.

All of my ammunition is stored in the same room as my gun safes in a seperate cupboard built for the purpose of storing ammo.

All of my Reloading equipment is stored in the same room. So is the bench that I reload on.

All of this is behind a solid wood core door that has a deadbolt. Oh did I metion that all of my safes are Bolted to the concrete floor and also lagg bolted into studs in the wall....

Whatever, I still belive the RCMP officer who told me how to follow the law when storing firearms..... After all if it ever comes down to it who is the one that is going to decide if I have them stored properly or not? My local RCMP or your interpretation of the Legislation?


Quote: form earlier post in this tread.......
Below is right off the RCMP web site . Restricted do not req a second locking device if stored in a safe

Restricted and prohibited firearms
Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into; or
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely. .

End Quote:

Its funny but I remeber the RCMP officer reading me that exact quote and telling me that it means I have to "double Lock" all of my restricteds!

Good luck getting answers here buddy..... Go ask a LE Officer.... they are the ones you have to make happy..... Not me....
 
So you're telling me that having my serpa holster (with the finger lock), and a locked front door isn't good enough?
 
It's not hard to find the info
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm
Took me 30 seconds on Google. If it's in a safe, no trigger locks required. And ammo can be sitting right next to it, in a loaded magazine, so long as the magazine is not IN the gun.
If some folk want to keep their stuff way beyond any legal requirements, that is their own business, good for them. However, these are the legal standards, and so long as they are met, you're doing your part. Personally, my wife would be probably calling me a psycho if I wanted to try and meet the same standards as some around here. As it is, all of my firearms are legally stored, and inaccessable to any children or drunken uncles, who are the main persons our storage laws were made to protect. Thieves cannot be stopped, they WILL get into pretty much anything you put in their way if they have the time and the desire. Most likely they'll even use your own tools to do it (unless you happen to also keep all your tools in the safe).
 
I live in a good neighbourhood for the most part but I am more concerned with someone stealing my guns. I know the Norinco's are cheap and not really part of the overall investment, but I still do not want them or any of the other toys removed from my house when I am not home.
 
There is a tendancy for people in the firearms control business to 'creep' the laws, that is, increase the standard beyond what is written. It's usually sold along the lines of ('the law says this but) WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS THIS' - if you're forced to watch the videaos that go with the CFSC you'll see this in action through references like "this is what's legal, but this shooter chooses to go beyond the law to be sure.... then they'll say "ALL RESPONSIBLE SHOOTERS LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SAFETY". Actually looking at what you wrote - "this is the PROPER and legal way", this is what happened, they feel it's proper , and it certainly is legal, it's just NOT WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES. I'm not really surprised that you were told this. It's crap. I'm sorry you were mislead.
 
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notsorichguy said:
After all if it ever comes down to it who is the one that is going to decide if I have them stored properly or not? My local RCMP or your interpretation of the Legislation?

Go ask a LE Officer.... they are the ones you have to make happy..... Not me....
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Actually, that is another load of crap. The person you need to "make happy" is a judge. He/She will decide if you stored your firarms in accordance with the written laws of Canada. Only in Police States are you required make the police happy, or ignore what is clearly written in the Criminal Code in defference to the sensitivities of certain individuals whose job is to enforce not interpret the laws. When it comes to the twisted, confusing maze of firearms laws in Canada opinions abound, and we all know about opinions.
 
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