Storing a bolt action bolt

I go out my way to not store any gun with the springs compressed, when removing the bolts for storage I uncock the cocking piece by hand, bag it and write the guns serial number on the bag, very easy to recock the bolt before returning it to the gun.
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bigbull said:
I go out my way to not store any gun with the springs compressed, when removing the bolts for storage I uncock the cocking piece by hand, bag it and write the guns serial number on the bag, very easy to recock the bolt before returning it to the gun.
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The firing spring is still compressed, doesn’t matter if it’s cocked or not
 
I just buy more cabinets and store my bolt rifles with their bolts in. Gun socks on the nice ones.

Strangely, no matter how many cabinets I buy, they always get crowded...
 
m1008 said:
The firing spring is still compressed, doesn’t matter if it’s cocked or not
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Yes it is still compressed but not as much, your choice at the end of the day.
I also store my car for the winter, I jack it up to take off as much load off the suspension as possible, like you said above the springs are still compressed but I feel a lot better knowing they are compressed a lot less.
I think the majority uncocks their guns before storing.
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bigbull said:
Yes it is still compressed but not as much, your choice at the end of the day.
I also store my car for the winter, I jack it up to take off as much load off the suspension as possible, like you said above the springs are still compressed but I feel a lot better knowing they are compressed a lot less.
I think the majority uncocks their guns before storing.
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Are you for real? That's the second dumbest thing I've heard. Springs wear through cycles and over compression, and that's about it. Jacking up your car is ridiculous, and more likely to cause harm than any pitiful benefit it may have.
 
bigbull said:
Yes it is still compressed but not as much, your choice at the end of the day.
I also store my car for the winter, I jack it up to take off as much load off the suspension as possible, like you said above the springs are still compressed but I feel a lot better knowing they are compressed a lot less.
I think the majority uncocks their guns before storing.
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LOL at 99% of this post.
Not even museums with the rarest most expensive vehicles do this.

Springs wear from cycling not remaining in a compressed state.

One interesting test I followed had this result in the case of the Pmag AR magazine, if you fired a case of .223 ammo every two weeks as part of your training, it would take 80 years for that magazine spring to fail.
Magpul Gen 3 Pmag69,881 cycles, 2,096,430 rounds of ammunition fired.
 
Blastattack said:
Are you for real? That's the second dumbest thing I've heard. Springs wear through cycles and over compression, and that's about it. Jacking up your car is ridiculous, and more likely to cause harm than any pitiful benefit it may have.
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You are all entitled to your opinions but keep the rhetoric to yourselves.

The only way a spring is not affected is when being stored in it's natural state, if the spring is
compressed or elongated it will be affected. End of story.

To what extend well that is a topic for another discussion.

I will give an example, I have some shotguns that I collect, they are recoil operated and have large powerful
springs, assuming proper ammo is used about the only regular maintenance they need for proper functioning is replacing
the springs when they no longer function reliably and lubrication, I ordered new springs to keep as spares
and when I measure the new springs to the existing springs the new springs are longer, my guns have
minimum wear of collector grade quality and definitely not worn just sitting around, they are factory springs not aftermarket.

I am not suggesting that we dismantle our guns for storage but at a minimum I uncock the cocking piece on the bolt which at times
represents up to 3/4 of compression on the firing pin spring, is it in it's natural state NO but 3/4 inch of compression is a lot on such
a short spring. If you keep your guns shooting every month I would not bother.

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bigbull said:
You are all entitled to your opinions but keep the rhetoric to yourselves.

The only way a spring is not affected is when being stored in it's natural state, if the spring is
compressed or elongated it will be affected. End of story.

To what extend well that is a topic for another discussion.

I will give an example, I have some shotguns that I collect, they are recoil operated and have large powerful
springs, assuming proper ammo is used about the only regular maintenance they need for proper functioning is replacing
the springs when they no longer function reliably and lubrication, I ordered new springs to keep as spares
and when I measure the new springs to the existing springs the new springs are longer, my guns have
minimum wear of collector grade quality and definitely not worn just sitting around, they are factory springs not aftermarket.

I am not suggesting that we dismantle our guns for storage but at a minimum I uncock the cocking piece on the bolt which at times
represents up to 3/4 of compression on the firing pin spring, is it in it's natural state NO but 3/4 inch of compression is a lot on such
a short spring. If you keep your guns shooting every month I would not bother.

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No.
Your lowering the life of your spring by doing this extra ridiculous storage step.

The truth is that compression and expansion cycles wear springs out, like the repeated filling then emptying of a magazine.
That’s not to say a low-quality spring won’t break while compressed, but that same crappy spring from a crappy magazine company is liable to break at any time.

Same as leaving a low quality schitty magazine loaded, in can blow apart at the seams while under pressure.

Modern high-quality tempered magazine springs will take a bit of a set, but after that they can sit loaded for a VERY long time before they fail. Springs wear out more from use - many repeated compression/expansion cycles - than from being stored compressed. In fact, loaded mags have sat for many DECADES, and then fed just fine when used.

As always you get what you pay for and cheaply made mags may have cheap, poorly tempered springs, and they may fail after long-term loaded storage.
 
FatCatsDad said:
No.
Your lowering the life of your spring by doing this extra ridiculous storage step.

The truth is that compression and expansion cycles wear springs out, like the repeated filling then emptying of a magazine.
That’s not to say a low-quality spring won’t break while compressed, but that same crappy spring from a crappy magazine company is liable to break at any time.

Same as leaving a low quality schitty magazine loaded, in can blow apart at the seams while under pressure.

Modern high-quality tempered magazine springs will take a bit of a set, but after that they can sit loaded for a VERY long time before they fail. Springs wear out more from use - many repeated compression/expansion cycles - than from being stored compressed. In fact, loaded mags have sat for many DECADES, and then fed just fine when used.

As always you get what you pay for and cheaply made mags may have cheap, poorly tempered springs, and they may fail after long-term loaded storage.
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Yes, What is ridiculous is arguing against what spring manufacturers say as fact.
The only way a spring is not affected is when being stored in it's natural state, if the spring is
compressed or elongated it will be affected. It will not be worn out but it will loose it's original rating.
To each his own.
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