The difference between federal and provincial regulations is all the problem
Storing a cap and ball revolver loaded
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The requirement to remove the flint was clearly written by someone who knows sweet FA about flintlocks and how they are tuned.
Removing and refitting the flint requires test firing the thing to ensure the flint is correctly located and straight to the frizzen. That isn't exactly safe to to when the friggen thing is loaded. Personally when I have taken my flinter out hunting, I would blow off the pan powder and lower the #### on an open frizzen. A muzzle loaded doesn't get any safer than that.
Loading the cylinders at home and TRANSPORTING the thing to the range is NOT storage is it?
lucky07
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Ya, that's where the "where wildlife may be present" part of it comes in.
We had to argue with two cops last year that showed up while we were coyote hunting that said our guns had to be trigger locked and in a case when in the vehicle. They gave up and ####ed off after the 4th or 5th guy pointed out that's not how its works.
Most cops don't know #### about gun laws, they know they don't know, they know we know they dont know, they also know we know they know they don't know. Just know the law, be able to recite the important and pertinent passages and don't back down, they always give up. Especially when they threaten to go look it up, then do so, and find word for word what you said 5 minutes ago. Interaction usually ends right quick after that.
Had one OPP years ago try to convince me that crows weren't "in season" ffs.
I said transport I’m my original post. Just want to know what people’s experience is with just removing the caps as a means on making it “unloaded”The requirement to remove the flint was clearly written by someone who knows sweet FA about flintlocks and how they are tuned.
Removing and refitting the flint requires test firing the thing to ensure the flint is correctly located and straight to the frizzen. That isn't exactly safe to to when the friggen thing is loaded. Personally when I have taken my flinter out hunting, I would blow off the pan powder and lower the #### on an open frizzen. A muzzle loaded doesn't get any safer than that.
Loading the cylinders at home and TRANSPORTING the thing to the range is NOT storage is it?
Any animal that doesn’t have a prescribed season and isn’t protected under provincial regulations is always in season.
when you feel anything firearm related is up to interpretation, then you should always think "could a judge even possibly interpret this" and there's your answer.
saying guys you've hunted with said x doesn't hold up in court. I worked with a guy who said hes the queen of england but I dont see his face on any coins.
saying guys you've hunted with said x doesn't hold up in court. I worked with a guy who said hes the queen of england but I dont see his face on any coins.
I realize that but if you’re going to live your whole life that way it’s impossible to own guns at all. This is an issue that although having been law for almost 40 years, has very little legal president that I can find, or any guidance from the courts.
My point was that I know numerous gun owners who interpreted the written regulations in different ways. As like most arguments in life, they are all probably right on some things and wrong on others.
It does seem like “unloaded” for reasons of storage and transport means entirely unloaded. “Unloaded” for reasons of black powder hunting in Ontario means something different and is only applicable to hunting not antiques.
Correct me if you believe I am wrong
Most colts I have don’t change cylinders like this. Wish there were aftermarket cylinders that would work with my Remington new model army
I think that reinstalling a flint when the barrel is charged is not something that is particularly safe. A really bad idea. The rule was obviously written by someone with limited knowledge. i.e. ignorant. Depending on the touch hole, the performance of the lock, it is possible for a flintlock gun to fire without priming.The requirement to remove the flint was clearly written by someone who knows sweet FA about flintlocks and how they are tuned.
Removing and refitting the flint requires test firing the thing to ensure the flint is correctly located and straight to the frizzen. That isn't exactly safe to to when the friggen thing is loaded. Personally when I have taken my flinter out hunting, I would blow off the pan powder and lower the #### on an open frizzen. A muzzle loaded doesn't get any safer than that.
Loading the cylinders at home and TRANSPORTING the thing to the range is NOT storage is it?
It is also possible to remove a cap from a nipple and leave the priming compound behind, particularly if the hammer has been let down on the cap to insure it is well seated. The gun can fire without the cap. Rare, but it has happened.
This reminds me of a true story I read years ago.It was back in the 1800s,a group of guys were out hunting all day and returned home for supper and before going into the house they all removed the caps off of the nipples of their guns.Upon entering the house one of the guys playfully pointed his gun at a young kid who was sitting inside pulled back the hammer and pulled the trigger.The gun went off to everyones surprise killing the young lad .They figure there was just enough fulminate residue left from the cap to set if off.
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What club are you at?? I don't think they would be very impressed with you wandering to and from the line with a loaded gun. (you would lose your membership at my club)
"loaded" is an interpretation for the judge - whatever justification you think you have, the final say is not up to you. I have a feeling "cold fingers" is not gonna get you far.
"loaded" is an interpretation for the judge - whatever justification you think you have, the final say is not up to you. I have a feeling "cold fingers" is not gonna get you far.
This the law here SOR/98-209 Current to Dec 2/2025: Antique Firearms 14 (1) An individual may store, display or transport an antique firearm only if it is unloaded.
Hunting regs aren't storage regs. - dan
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Whether it applies to this particular situation or not, a muzzle loader is not considered “loaded” if it has no cap (or pan charge) for hunting. If a problem arose (with the law) I would refer them to the hunting regs.
Licensed to kill
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- Peace Country Alberta
Not on my main rifle. Instal flint, shoot every time ( but you woudnt like why). Be that as it may, if you think it unsafe to remove and replace the flint if there is a charge in the tube, how do you deal with a flint that shatters and NEEDS to be replaced and the barrel is still charged?? Knapping a flint with the tube charged is more dangerous if you don’t do it right, by “right” I mean not producing a spark AND having the touch hole blocked with a feather quill ( if you are a die hard) or a round tooth pick. Same process ehen changing flints.
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And that's how we used to hunt bison in northern AB. - dan
Back when I lived in Ontario I used percussion rifles for much of my bear hunting. I was always under the impression that removing the cap rendered the rifle legally unloaded. Ontario being Ontario, I was stopped by CO's numerous times over the years while driving back to camp or home after dark. I was always asked if my rifle were unloaded, I would always tell them it was a percussion lock with no cap on it, and was never told that was not legal. Sometimes they would want to see the thing for themselves, often they didn't. Some years the same CO would stop me in the same place every day for a week; they were set up similar to a RIDE program.
I'd take the rifle home or to camp, store it carefully until the next morning, drive back to my hunting area, re-cap and carry on. I don't recall every explaining that was my plan to a CO, but I thought it was pretty obvious that was what I was doing. Never a problem for any of them.
I'm not arguing or saying that is or is not legal; I interpreted the regs back then in that way and the CO's seemed to as well. This was back about 30 years ago, maybe things have changed since then.
I'd take the rifle home or to camp, store it carefully until the next morning, drive back to my hunting area, re-cap and carry on. I don't recall every explaining that was my plan to a CO, but I thought it was pretty obvious that was what I was doing. Never a problem for any of them.
I'm not arguing or saying that is or is not legal; I interpreted the regs back then in that way and the CO's seemed to as well. This was back about 30 years ago, maybe things have changed since then.
