Storing Ammo outside
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Either move, or respect your Parent's wishes until you do. Find a trustworthy friend to hang onto all your stuff. I damn sure wouldn't want to keep any gun stuff outside, way too easy to steal, and thieves are like ants, when they find a crumb, they'll keep coming back until they get the whole loaf.
Put yourself in your Parent's shoes, they don't like guns, they don't want guns or gun stuff in their house, which they've likely been owning, and paying for, for a very long time. Now their son tells them he wants exactly the things they hate, and to keep the things they hate in their house, which by the way, they own, and have been paying for, for a very long time. The son, whom they love just like a son, tells them he should have the right to do all this stuff, in their home, which they own, and have been paying for, for a very long time. As much as they do love this son, they can't help but feel a bit put off, by this disturbing interest in guns. They figure, the best way to ensure safety, is to get the ammo out of the house, gun with no ammo is no worse than a baseball bat, they figure. Misguided, certainly, but it is their house, which they own, and have been paying for, for a very long time.
If you want your Parent's to treat you like a full fledged adult, you'll need to move, and show them you are capable of taking care of yourself. Trust me, when I say, it is the best thing you will EVER do for your relationship with them. They will be filled with pride, at the independant human being they raised. At this point, you will be in your own house, and can walk around naked, except for a belt, holster and glock, believe me when I say, that feels pretty damn good to do. Your Wife, on the other hand will probably roll her eyes, when she sees you like that, however.
Put yourself in your Parent's shoes, they don't like guns, they don't want guns or gun stuff in their house, which they've likely been owning, and paying for, for a very long time. Now their son tells them he wants exactly the things they hate, and to keep the things they hate in their house, which by the way, they own, and have been paying for, for a very long time. The son, whom they love just like a son, tells them he should have the right to do all this stuff, in their home, which they own, and have been paying for, for a very long time. As much as they do love this son, they can't help but feel a bit put off, by this disturbing interest in guns. They figure, the best way to ensure safety, is to get the ammo out of the house, gun with no ammo is no worse than a baseball bat, they figure. Misguided, certainly, but it is their house, which they own, and have been paying for, for a very long time.
If you want your Parent's to treat you like a full fledged adult, you'll need to move, and show them you are capable of taking care of yourself. Trust me, when I say, it is the best thing you will EVER do for your relationship with them. They will be filled with pride, at the independant human being they raised. At this point, you will be in your own house, and can walk around naked, except for a belt, holster and glock, believe me when I say, that feels pretty damn good to do. Your Wife, on the other hand will probably roll her eyes, when she sees you like that, however.
I had a similar problem when I was a young lad. I was paying some rent and house upkeep. Some family members were anti, because of lack of knowledge, and guns and ammo was a unthinkable in the home (even though I had it in the house for over 2yrs already). They were even scared to touch a live round. I showed them literature on proper storage as dictated by law, debunked urban legends (like sunlight exposure doesn't make it go boom), and asked for them to please be objective then decide based on truths. Even took them to the local gun shop to talk to some knowledgeable guys (older ones, cause they seemed to have more credibility based on their age / and looks
). We even bumped into a customer who was a reloader who spoke to them abit about his reloading hobby (imagine people reload in their basement, and powder and primer can be bought off the shelf, and your house doesn't go boom!). Anyways, it took a few weeks, but the concerned family members soon saw it is not any more dangerous than having a pack of matches/ steak knives/ or sewing needles in a drawer, or gas for the lawnmower in the garage/shed, bleach and toilet cleaner stored side by side under the sink. I needed some of those analogies to help identify home safety/risk environment. Soon after it was ok.
If you can remove the emotional component and expose them to facts, that can help your cause. However, some people have very closed minds and you can't change that no matter what the facts are. Hope yours are open to becoming familiar with 'reality'. Good luck.
Moving out is an option as Curtmg mentioned. For me I was going to school and did alot around the house so I was an asset to have around. Always helps to earn your place in the house too.
). We even bumped into a customer who was a reloader who spoke to them abit about his reloading hobby (imagine people reload in their basement, and powder and primer can be bought off the shelf, and your house doesn't go boom!). Anyways, it took a few weeks, but the concerned family members soon saw it is not any more dangerous than having a pack of matches/ steak knives/ or sewing needles in a drawer, or gas for the lawnmower in the garage/shed, bleach and toilet cleaner stored side by side under the sink. I needed some of those analogies to help identify home safety/risk environment. Soon after it was ok.If you can remove the emotional component and expose them to facts, that can help your cause. However, some people have very closed minds and you can't change that no matter what the facts are. Hope yours are open to becoming familiar with 'reality'. Good luck.
Moving out is an option as Curtmg mentioned. For me I was going to school and did alot around the house so I was an asset to have around. Always helps to earn your place in the house too.
Its not that Im asking to bring ammo and guns into the house, its that I was allowed to bring them in and have had them here for going on 3 years and now all of a sudden its a problem. The idea of moving out is very tempting and Ill have to consider it next fall if I make enough money during the summer. Another problem is how many land lords allow guns and ammo?
I work and live away from home during the summers and I must say I love the freedom, but we'll see if i can do it during the school year once im out of work for the summer.
I work and live away from home during the summers and I must say I love the freedom, but we'll see if i can do it during the school year once im out of work for the summer.
Ganderite, I'm very surprised at your outdoor storage experience. For several years, I didn't have an in house, heated space, to store my ammunition and reloading supplies. I had to store it all in a secure lock up area in an unheated shed. The walls were concrete blocks, the roof and door, were metal. The saving grace was the ceiling was insulated and the place was relatively cool in the summertime. Temps in the shed, varied from -40C to +30C over the year.
Some of the ammunition, was stored that way for at least 5 years. There was a bunch of Lake City Match and general issue stuff. There was also a bunch of hand loads, pistol, shotgun and rifle. Had about 5000 rounds of 22LR in there as well.
None of the center fire rounds was bothered in the least. The same can't be said for 22LR. After the first winter and summer, the stuff became very inconsistent. It only got worse the next year and there were many failures to fire.
The center fire rounds stayed consistent and accurate, without fail.
That was over 35 years ago. Maybe rim fire priming has gotten better? Rimfire ammunition, would be my only real concern, if I had to do it again.
It may be a good idea, to put together an insulated box, or as mentioned previously an old refrigerator or freezer and as mentioned before, heat it with an incandescent bulb. It would be cheap and safe. Bolt everything solidly to the floor and wall, add adequate locking devices and you're set to go. An old chest type freezer, can be picked up at the land fill site for about $20. For another $40 in hinges, locks and bolts, you should be well set.
Some of the ammunition, was stored that way for at least 5 years. There was a bunch of Lake City Match and general issue stuff. There was also a bunch of hand loads, pistol, shotgun and rifle. Had about 5000 rounds of 22LR in there as well.
None of the center fire rounds was bothered in the least. The same can't be said for 22LR. After the first winter and summer, the stuff became very inconsistent. It only got worse the next year and there were many failures to fire.
The center fire rounds stayed consistent and accurate, without fail.
That was over 35 years ago. Maybe rim fire priming has gotten better? Rimfire ammunition, would be my only real concern, if I had to do it again.
It may be a good idea, to put together an insulated box, or as mentioned previously an old refrigerator or freezer and as mentioned before, heat it with an incandescent bulb. It would be cheap and safe. Bolt everything solidly to the floor and wall, add adequate locking devices and you're set to go. An old chest type freezer, can be picked up at the land fill site for about $20. For another $40 in hinges, locks and bolts, you should be well set.
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For me it boils down to a couple of things: 1) it is their house so what they say goes (or as my mom used to say...our way or the highway); and 2) how much ammo are we talking about? If its a few boxes the ammo can idea would be alright, if its a pallet...well good luck.
Its a shame - your parents are uninformed idiots who strike me as those who will not see reason and facts and are afraid of insurance companies who also dont know the facts - nothing you can do about your parents cause they have already bred - but they bred a smart guy - (good gene mix - a minus and a minus made a double plus) -
BUT SERIOUSLY ! Your parents are not idiots - just not cognizant of facts -- I stored ammo for 23 years (forgot it was there LOL!) - in an outdoor attic at minus and plus Kanadian winters - IT ALL WENT BOOM -
Didnt think it would - but it did ! And accurate !
Its a shame - your parents are uninformed idiots who strike me as those who will not see reason and facts and are afraid of insurance companies who also dont know the facts - nothing you can do about your parents cause they have already bred - but they bred a smart guy - (good gene mix - a minus and a minus made a double plus) -
BUT SERIOUSLY ! Your parents are not idiots - just not cognizant of facts -- I stored ammo for 23 years (forgot it was there LOL!) - in an outdoor attic at minus and plus Kanadian winters - IT ALL WENT BOOM -
Didnt think it would - but it did ! And accurate !
Well thats good to know that it wont spoil outdoors. I havent heard anyone mention it for a few days now so Im hoping it will all be forgotten and my ammo will remain inside where it is least affected by the elements and least likely to get stolen. yeah they are just mis informed. Ive explained it to them time and time again that ammo is NOT lethal if it just cooks off inside a box. They seem to think that firefighters are morons and have never dealt with ammo in a house before or have even been informed about the topic. Im hoping this whole big deal just blows over. Its not that they are stupid or anything, they are just convincing themselves that insurance companies will not pay out money to a home owner who has ammo thier homes because of liability or some bs about firefighters refusing to help.
I've stored ammo in my garage and in sheds for years! recently found a brick of .22 in an old car that I forgot was there (at least 6 years). Hammered most of it off that weekend without a single misfire.
the fridge/locker and PA ammo cans are all good ideas, and once you have enough in them... no one is going to walk off with them. Just make sure they are securely locked.
There are a million jobs out there that pay better than minimum wage.
In the meantime... just pile it all in the trunk of your car!
lol! good luck
the fridge/locker and PA ammo cans are all good ideas, and once you have enough in them... no one is going to walk off with them. Just make sure they are securely locked.
There are a million jobs out there that pay better than minimum wage.
In the meantime... just pile it all in the trunk of your car!
lol! good luck
Given the choice between someone converting my property in to their own private greenhouse or someone with the guns and ammo to keep them out I'd opt for the latter..
If they bring it up again, offer to buy a fireproof safe to keep your ammo in and see how they respond. Just mentioning the concept of a locking, "fire-proof" box may be enough to help quiet them down a bit.
What they don't know, don't hurt.
What they don't know, don't hurt.
Not really. It seems to have almost blown over. There has been mention over the last week about contacting the fire department and the insurance compant, but its been all talk. Ive been asked to relocate my ammo box within the house, for the moment, so Im hoping once I find a new spot for it in the house the whole outdoor storage thing will be forgotten. There were fireproof gun safes on sale at CT last week and I offered to buy one and sotre my guns and ammo in it, but I got the big NO because theres almost nowhere in my house to fit a cabinet that big. It was suggested that if I buy one it be stored in the shed but I shot that idea down right away.
Really hoping this whole thing gets forgotten.
Thanks for all your input guys.
