Story on the 1187

I have an 1100, and love it, but I've heard anecdotely that the 1187 is a jam-o-matic. It's supposed to be an 'upgraded' version of the 1100, but MOST think it's a step backwards.
 
RevolverRodger said:
What are your experiences with the 1187 rem shotgun ?
Ih eard that it's a real jammer... Some other people say it's a pretty good smi-auto.
What do you guys think ?
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I have an 11-87P and it is a great shotgun.....never had a jam out of it. That said, it is designed not to use light loads....must use full power loads.

Boltgun
 
I've had a 12 ga. 11-87 premier since 1990 and fired at least 2000 rounds. This machine never once jammed. I now have a special field 11-87 in the 20 ga. and and wouldn't buy anything else other than a remington. The only thing you should do on a regular basis is change the rubber gas o-ring and you should not have any action problems;)
 
I've had my 11-87 Secial Purpose for 3 years, shot 2000-2500 rounds, the only time I had a problem was with winchester "superspeed" loads, the 7/8 oz ones. They weren't heavy enough, but it works great with anything 1 oz or bigger.
 
canucklehead said:
I have an 1100, and love it, but I've heard anecdotely that the 1187 is a jam-o-matic. It's supposed to be an 'upgraded' version of the 1100, but MOST think it's a step backwards.
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Oh, did I say MOST? I meant NOBODY BUT ME. My mistake. :D

I think this topic has come up before, and far more expressed distain...
 
I love Remington products. However, I wouldn't purchase another 11-87 if I intended to use it for anything other than heavy waterfowl loads. With anything less, I found both 11-87s I owned to fail to cycle more often than not. Forget trying to shoot a round of trap or skeet with one! I sold mine and from now on will stick with my 870 PUMP. The Premier model specifically designed for shooting sports, is probably a fine shotgun, but I'm just not interested in purchasing a new shotgun and then have to tweak it to run properly or limit myself to a "specialized" version of same if I want to run light trap loads. There are many other shotguns which will work fine straight out of the box.
 
X-man said:
I love Remington products. However, I wouldn't purchase another 11-87 if I intended to use it for anything other than heavy waterfowl loads. With anything less, I found both 11-87s I owned to fail to cycle more often than not. Forget trying to shoot a round of trap or skeet with one! I sold mine and from now on will stick with my 870 PUMP. The Premier model specifically designed for shooting sports, is probably a fine shotgun, but I'm just not interested in purchasing a new shotgun and then have to tweak it to run properly or limit myself to a "specialized" version of same if I want to run light trap loads.
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That's funny, because my 11-87 Special Purpose Magnum sees more target loads for skeet than any other load:rolleyes:. Over 2000 target loads with only hiccups being 7/8oz loads, (which probably won't work in any semi, consistently). With 1oz or 1 1/8 oz, no problems. Only thing i've done is put in the skeet choke, and clean the gun every 300-400 shots.
 
Let me first admit that I'm no fan of Remington. Not because there's anything inherently wrong with Remington - it just that you can't be a fan of every maker there is, unless you're related to Bill Gates.

With that off my chest, I can offer my limited personal experience. I bought an 11-87 Premier Trap about 5 years ago with the intention of making it my trap gun. Couldn't hit worth beans with it. I gave up on it pretty much right away because I did better with an old pump than with the gas gun.

A couple of years later, when my wife shocked the hell out of me by taking up trap shooting herself, I pulled it out of the cabinet because I thought the reduced recoil from a gas gun would be a bonus for her. She has shot reasonably well with it. More importantly, it has never failed since I first bought it. It has worked perfectly with any 12 ga shell, although it has to be freshly cleaned to handle the lighter loads. Even with those, it takes about 50 rounds before it starts failing to cycle properly.

My personal opinion is that it's a fairly heavy gun that would be difficult to carry in the uplands or may become tedious on the range for more than a round or two at a time. Still, it's ideal in the blind and no more problematic than most - less than some.

SS
 
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The 11-87 in its current guise is a hunting gun. It has a gas regulator on the barrel that makes it less reliable with lighter loads. The 1100 is their target gun and doesn't have the extra parts and works better with light loads.

Previously in Remington's line up the 11-87 was available in both target and hunting configurations but with the reintroduction of the 1100 a few years ago they have two separate lines for hunting and target shooting.

I've owned a couple of 11-87s and by contrast they don't hold a candle to the Beretta 391 as far as functioning with a wide range of shells is concerned. My 391 works with 7/8s ounce loads at 1,250fps right up to 3" magnums. I've also tested mine to see how long it would work without cleaning and functioning problems begin around the 1,500-2,000 round mark. Although more expensive than the Remington I think the improved performance is worth the extra cost.
 
The one problem I have experienced with 2 of these models is related to the staked in ejector. Continuous pounding, eventually pulls the ejector off the peened rivet, and allows the ejector to drop into the action (locks it up)
Brownells sells a tool to repair the problem. Just Remington saving money I guess.
 
Three of us bought brand new 11-87 Supermags. Two worked fine but we all sold them. My first one jamed shooting 2 3/4, 3, 3.5, even with a compensetor ring and at times when I tried to unload it would jam, and yes I did clean it after every time I used it. It broke the O rings because of a metal burr at gas holes. Remington replaced it with another brand new 11-87, this one shot 2 feet to the right at 40 yards. I do not want to waste your time with all the details. I did have a 1100 and it was a good gun, but I will never buy a 11-87 again, and that is my experience using one. I guess the last statement is a lie because it was in the repair shop more than I used it.
 
Well, Ive used Remingtons for more than 30 years and dollar for dollar they are a great value. Yes some jam occaisonally but that is usually due to lack of maintenance or cheap ammo. I've also met lots of guys over the years that were frustrated with thier 1100, 11-87 or 870 only to find upon closer inspection some simple problem like the rings in backwards, damaged gas seal, or in the case of the 870 a twisted loading gate caused by brute force. Presently I shoot an 11-87 Premier Skeet and haven't had any problems.I agree with Claybuster that the 391 is a superior design but it also costs an arm and a leg:) My main clay target gun is a Beretta 686 Special Sporting which I love but if I was to own only one gun for all my shooting I would invest the extra money and go with a 391.
 
I have an 11-87 (3") and find it to be an excellent shotgun. Just tonight I fired 100 rounds through my 11-87 Premier at our skeet club using 7/8 oz reloads and it operated without any problems. On the weekend I put 20 slugs thru this same gun also with 100% function.

I have heard negative things about the 3-1/2" Premier Super Magnum when used with 2-3/4" shells but do not have any personal experience with that particular model. In my opinion it is asking a lot of a 3-1/2" hunting gun to expect it to work with 2-3/4" target shells without adjustment. (my Baikial MP-153 works with 1 oz 2-3/4" shells but requires some adjustment)

Our gun club has a shooter who uses his 11-87 for hunting, trap, skeet and sporting clays. This guys poor gun is neglected and rusty and rarely get's lubricated or cleaned, yet it chugs along with amazing reliability. Given decent maintenence the 11-87 will last a long time, and if some part should break replacements are easy to get and not too expensive.
 
I have shot Remington 1100's for over 30 years and bought an 1187 five years ago and only have had it jam once.I also do some gun cleaning and repair work on shotguns and have found that there is 2 kinds of model 1187 premiers,ones that the internal parts are polished and ones that are not! Now some of you are probably thinking of the sportsman models but I'm talking about the highend 1187's and I've seen it when doing cleaning jobs and the people that are having problems are the ones that the parts are not polsihed.Also I fine when people put oil on the mag tube this causes problems with gimming up the tube and the gas rings.I have never put oil in any of my Remingtons and I have used them in ALL types of weather and never had a problem, good overall maintenace is the key to these guns working properly.:)
 
I own an 11-87 Premier and it's a great gun. I use it for both hunting and clay shooting, and the only time it has jammed on me so far is when I took it apart for cleaning and then assembled it wrong (stuck the piston in the gas collar, I think). Other than that, I haven't had any jams/misfeeding or any problems with mine, and I have shot many cases of target loads, even 2 3/4 dr. without a problem - and the best thing about this gun is that it barely kicks at all.
 
Another 11-87 Premier LH skeet / sporting clay shooter here. I put around 300-700 rounds a week through it, mostly friendly 1oz target loads, and I generally clean it once a week. I have had very few problems. The very rare time that I had a cycling problem, it was a burnt-out o-ring or downright lack of maintenance on my part (~1000 rounds without a cleaning).

From what I've seen with my 11-87, PEIslanders, and others at the club, it is a very decent auto shotgun.
 
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