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Do these exist in Canada? My search-fu hasn't brought up anything except for the boys in the UK seem to be using them.

What about a side charging upper like the American Spirit Arms, but with no gas system? Could it be re-verified to be a non-restricted if the serial is on the upper? Or is the lower the limiting factor?

Im thinking a straight pull rifle that is basically an AR but un-restricted would be the t**s, simply based off the customization options available and how the ergos are just right, plus AR mags are very readily available. Would be a sick little varmint rifle.

Feasible?
 
Nope. the lower is the registered part, so it wouldn't matter if its strait pull, bolt action or anything. You can swap the upper out in seconds, and the RCMP knows this.

There are a few lowers designed for the .50BMG uppers that have no mag well, from what I've read are specially non restricted (cant confirm that though), but it would be useless to use any AR15 on them, as they have no ability to feed ammo.
 
What about a one off gun with the upper being the serialized part and the pin sizes being not standard to ARs or slightly offset? Would that make a difference?
 
308smk said:
What about a one off gun with the upper being the serialized part and the pin sizes being not standard to ARs or slightly offset? Would that make a difference?
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The problem is that the RCMP will use underhanded means to make it restricted.

ATRS tried to make a non-AR15 lower for those .50 BMG uppers that fit on AR15's. They made it so you couldn't mount an AR15 upper and fire it, or so they thought.

The RCMP put an AR15 upper on it, duct taped it to the lower and managed to get it to fire off one shot before it blew up. Boom, AR15 variant.
 
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Straight pull AR15's are still restricted because it is an AR15. Delask arms made one and had it tested and it came out restricted. They are already made in the US for export.
 
The closest you can get to this is a chassis/stock with the Ergo of an AR.

Look in the precision forum for the MDT chassis. Essentially what you are asking for and non restricted.

There are other tube gun and tactical chassis that will will do the same thing.

All will try and use the AI BOLT Rifle mags as they are longer internally and allow for 10rds.

The standard AR15 mag is kind of short.
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Armedsask said:
The problem is that the RCMP will use underhanded means to make it restricted.

ATRS tried to make a non-AR15 lower for those .50 BMG uppers that fit on AR15's. They made it so you couldn't mount an AR15 upper and fire it, or so they thought.

The RCMP put an AR15 upper on it, duct taped it to the lower and managed to get it to fire off one shot before it blew up. Boom, AR15 variant.
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Thats ####ing dirty.
 
Dlask designed a really sweet pump-action that only made use of a couple AR parts. RCMP classified it as an AR-15 variant and that was that. We need much greater ministerial oversight into the RCMP and their anti-gun institutional ethos. Worst thing that every happened to Canadian gun owners was having the RCMP take over the Canadian Firearms Program and having their tech lab have the final say on what is or is not a variant. They're classifying rimfire rifles as prohibib variants for pete's sake, and getting away with it, despite the fact that the rimfire guns have completely different actions, operating systems and few, if any parts are interchangeable.If I didn't know any better, I'd say those asshats were trained by Toronto's Chief Bill Blair, 'cause they sure as hell act just like him!
 
Duct tape? You could chamber a round in an upper and then whack the firing pin with a hammer and drift and it would go bang... just cause it goes bang shouldn't make it a firearm in itself. What if I hit a live round with a hammer and it goes bang in my face, does that mean the hammer is a firearm?
 
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Duct tape? You could chamber a round in an upper and then whack the firing pin with a hammer and drift and it would go bang... just cause it goes bang shouldn't make it a firearm in itself. What if I hit a live round with a hammer and it goes bang in my face, does that mean the hammer is a firearm?
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I am quite sure I could mount an AR15 upper to an AR180B lower, zip tie or duct tap it down, and it would fire a single round, maybe.

The AR180B hammer is further back from the magwell than the AR15, but it still might be able to hit the firing pin.
 
HeadDamage said:
Duct tape? You could chamber a round in an upper and then whack the firing pin with a hammer and drift and it would go bang... just cause it goes bang shouldn't make it a firearm in itself. What if I hit a live round with a hammer and it goes bang in my face, does that mean the hammer is a firearm?
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Most likely. Remember how the BATF classified an airsoft rifle as a fully auto machine gun?

They took the airsoft gun, removed the upper, had to do a little machining work on the lower, replaced all the internals with M16 parts (because AR15 parts won't work in airsoft), chambered each round by hand (the bastard rifle wouldn't feed from magazines because the mags didn't fit) and fired it, hand loading it each time.

BAM! Now we've got an machine gun. That needs to be loaded one bullet at a time.
 
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Most likely. Remember how the BATF classified an airsoft rifle as a fully auto machine gun?

They took the airsoft gun, removed the upper, had to do a little machining work on the lower, replaced all the internals with M16 parts (because AR15 parts won't work in airsoft), chambered each round by hand (the bastard rifle wouldn't feed from magazines because the mags didn't fit) and fired it, hand loading it each time.

BAM! Now we've got an machine gun. That needs to be loaded one bullet at a time.
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OMFG

A good mechanic or machinist can make almost anything work. Maybe everything is a potential firearm???
 
CanadianAR said:
OMFG

A good mechanic or machinist can make almost anything work. Maybe everything is a potential firearm???
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Yep, which is why its so important to have big pressure groups like our CSSA and NFA, and the US with the NRA and GOA (albeit GOA are much smaller) to keep guys like the RCMP and the ATF from walking all over us....


If they could prohibit everything but single shot .22's tomorrow, they would. I remember that Article "the tragic proliferation of sniper rifles" talking about those evil "long range sniper rifles" with "high magnification sniper scopes" and "armor piercing rounds like .30-06".......

Its not just EBR's and handguns they're after, its EVERY gun.
 
F22_RaptoR said:
Yep, which is why its so important to have big pressure groups like our CSSA and NFA, and the US with the NRA and GOA (albeit GOA are much smaller) to keep guys like the RCMP and the ATF from walking all over us....


If they could prohibit everything but single shot .22's tomorrow, they would. I remember that Article "the tragic proliferation of sniper rifles" talking about those evil "long range sniper rifles" with "high magnification sniper scopes" and "armor piercing rounds like .30-06".......

Its not just EBR's and handguns they're after, its EVERY gun.
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That always made me laugh. A rifle does not make a sniper, a rifle is just an extension of the sniper's will. A BB gun could be considered a 'sniper rifle' in the hands of a true sniper.
 
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