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I copied the comment below from another discussion here on gunnuts.

-Tikka T3, detachable magazine with available 5 shot mags, comes factory with a 3 shot. Really good shoter, acurate out of the box. Mine came with an adjustable trigger, lowest setting was 1.5 to 2lbs. I shoot 3.5" @ 200yrds with this one, with a bushnell 3200 scope on it. I have been told that if you are going to reload for accuracy and performance the Tikka action is not the "strongest" available. For this reason I just traded it in on a Remington Model 700.

Is tikka T3 not a strong action in your opinion guys?
In current bolt gun who makes the strongest action???
 
I don't know about that action vs any other but, there have been 5 instances where a Tikka has failed and injured the shooter, most were in Europe, and of course the manufacturer wants to keep it quiet as any manu. would.
 
ben: Were those action failures or barrel failures which also occured in some Sako's due to some kind of relationship between sulfur content in stainless steel?
 
There is no two lug bolt action and quite possibly any bolt action made that is as strong and safe as the Remington 700 in a standard caliber or in a standard Magnum caliber. Their extractor system and the "3 rings of steel" are the real deal when it comes to strength and safety.
 
On that note why do you need a stronger action to handload your own? Is the guy planning on turning his 30-06 in to a 300 Ultra by stuffing it full of Red Dot?
Makes sense like wiping before ya poop......................
 
rem338win said:
On that note why do you need a stronger action to handload your own? Is the guy planning on turning his 30-06 in to a 300 Ultra by stuffing it full of Red Dot?
Makes sense like wiping before ya poop......................
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If you are referring to me I am not planning any reloading of rifle at this time.

Just asking for opinions on another mans comments re the tikka T3, simply cause I own one.

Are you this rude and condescending to every one in your life?
Or just on the internet?
 
Much has been said about the Model 700 for its strenght qualities but when selecting a modern rifle I wouldnt' base my selection on action strenght as they are all designed to handle the necessary pressures generated by the cartridges they were chambered for (and then some). Quality control is another issue all on its own and they were not designed to survive barrel obstructions and careless reloading ....Of course all this rambling is only my opinion.

I say enjoy your Tikka
 
There are different considerations here. The shear strength of the bolt lugs is what I consider the criteria when comparing the strength of actions, but the method by which an action protects the shooter from propellant gases should a case failure occur is more important. I don't know if any modern action is bad in this regard, but Dennis makes a good point about the Remington action.
 
ruger22 said:
If you are referring to me I am not planning any reloading of rifle at this time.

Just asking for opinions on another mans comments re the tikka T3, simply cause I own one.

Are you this rude and condescending to every one in your life?
Or just on the internet?
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Ya, I am pretty much a codger all the time. Take it personally if you want to; I don't.
Let's put it this way:
All modern bolt actions are made to shoot modern cartridges that all are meant to fire at about 62,000PSI give or take.
All of these rifles have at some time been proofed to a minimum of 100,000PSI.
Designs such as the Tikka, Remington, Winchester, Mauser, etc. have all been using two locking lugs for, well, over a hundred years in some cases. The only actions I have ever heard of failing have been the fault of a reloader or home gunsmith. And even then the action wasn't the item that fell apart. It was where the barrel threaded into the action, or just ahead of the chamber.
The steels that are used are part of the problem to the point, but that is nearly a moot point these days (with the exception of the Sako barrels, which is really freak in nature).
So to conclude, the opinion that the Tikka is "weaker" than the Remington is an engineered stand point that is inapplicable unless you plan on making your .270 WCF push 150gr bullets at 3400fps.
And when I refer to someone I use their name. And there was really no condescension in the comment I made. If I had stated that you where an idiot, and that you need to educate yourself on the finer points of firearms before you lay such a simple-minded question before an infinite audience, that would be condescending. What I said was simply sarcastic.
I like the Tikka. It is a quality bang for the buck as far as I am concerned.
 
Remington Action is of no worries.... but what's about the barrels.... CIP way of measuring the pressure is the same as NATO, and is much more accurate than the older SAAMI way of doing things.... even when using transducers...

these are 30-06 with a wooden dowel inserted into the barrel; now look ar US-made rifles...

h ttp://www.testfakta.se/Article.aspx?a=16350

Check it up....
 
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Baribal said:
Remington Action is of no worries.... but what's about the barrels.... CIP way of measuring the pressure is the same as NATO, and is much more accurate than the older SAAMI way of doing things.... even when using transducers...

these are 30-06 with a wooden dowel inserted into the barrel; now look ar US-made rifles...

h ttp://www.testfakta.se/Article.aspx?a=16350

Check it up....
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I totally agree. The CIP is also more reasonable when they make standard pressures for a new cartridge.

Pblatzz said:
Following are photos of a .257 Wby Mag (Vanguard) that had a catastrophic failure apparently as a result of firing a round that had a double charge of Blue Dot.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341348
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All I can say is...................... do you think the bullet might have keyholed?:D
 
Boomer said:
There are different considerations here. The shear strength of the bolt lugs is what I consider the criteria when comparing the strength of actions, but the method by which an action protects the shooter from propellant gases should a case failure occur is more important. I don't know if any modern action is bad in this regard, but Dennis makes a good point about the Remington action.
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Remington's are certainly strong and handle gas very well. I once fired a 260 remington round in a 25-284 win built on a 700 action. Unbelievably, after clean up, manual extraction and a very careful firing with a 10 foot string, a 25 lbs sandbag under and on top of the action it still shoots better then MOA.


That error has only ever happenned to me once, and it won't again, but I think the guy loading bluedot on purpose was stupider than I was.

Enjoy your T3.
 
martinbns said:
Remington's are certainly strong and handle gas very well. I once fired a 260 remington round in a 25-284 win built on a 700 action. Unbelievably, after clean up, manual extraction and a very careful firing with a 10 foot string, a 25 lbs sandbag under and on top of the action it still shoots better then MOA.


That error has only ever happenned to me once, and it won't again, but I think the guy loading bluedot on purpose was stupider than I was.

Enjoy your T3.
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I worked on a 7mm Rem Mag 700 back about 1969. The fellow could not open the bolt.

I got the bolt open and extracted what looked like part of a fired case. It was shorter than a 7mm Mag case...

On close inspection I read the back of the case. It was stamped 303 BRITISH.

He had fired a 303 British round through his 7mm Rem Mag. The case had expanded to fit the chamber, even forming a "belt" and held within the "3 rings of steel" the case did not rupture, the bullet swaged down and exited the barrel.

The headspace was checked and found to be correct. The barrel was inspected and no damage visible. The rifle required no repairs.

It was the superb design of the 700 that kept the case from rupturing. I don't know of another bolt action that would have done the same. Once a case ruptures, severe damage is usually the result.

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^^^^^^^^^That guy has a special ability to ignore the blatantly obvious.
Wow. 303 in a 7mm RM?
The other thing I have noticed about 700's is they will feed just about anything.
 
Part of the reason I bought my Ruger 77mk II 30-06 was because of its reliability but again it is a new rifle. If you are buying used then you might have a legitimate concern but new-not likely. Especially if you are not reloading. Anything you buy currently new should stand up well. There is some junk out there but what manufacturer in their right mind would take a chance on a dance with a lawyer with a good case?
 
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