Good god those are good videos.
HAHA!!! should be made into my new sig line.
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strenght of the current bolt actions...
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Good god those are good videos.
HAHA!!! should be made into my new sig line.
Intresting video's but I don't read German, any translation on what they were doing?
It only showed you should not be so stupid as to fire your barrel with an obstruction. It had nothing to do with action strength nor how accurate the rifle may shoot. It also did not show if there was any internal damage within the barrels that did not visibly blow up. You have no argument from me that some European barrels are extremely strong and some rifles extremely well made.
I'm also curious about this, I just purchased a tikka 3 stainless but I think it might be an older model and might have a faulty barrel, the stock doesn't have the tikka logo on the bottom of the grip which leads me to believe its an older model...
Is there any way I can tell how old my rifle is or if it was made from the same batch of faulty SS steel
I'm also curious about this, I just purchased a tikka 3 stainless but I think it might be an older model and might have a faulty barrel, the stock doesn't have the tikka logo on the bottom of the grip which leads me to believe its an older model...
Is there any way I can tell how old my rifle is or if it was made from the same batch of faulty SS steel
Contact Tikka. They will know the serial number range of the recalled rifles.
Apologies for jacking this thread but I have to wonder if Blue Dot is recommended by the manufacturer for use in centre fire rifles? The last time I used it was in trap and skeet loads in my shoty.
As far as Remington and Browning being POS, I will stack my cousins new Short Trac up against anything from Europe for accuracy (sub 1/2 moa) and quality, and I haven't had a Remington yet that wasn't an acceptable shooter.
As far as Remington and Browning being POS, I will stack my cousins new Short Trac up against anything from Europe for accuracy (sub 1/2 moa) and quality, and I haven't had a Remington yet that wasn't an acceptable shooter.
THERE IS A RECALL ON STAINLESS STEEL TIKKA AND SAKO RIFLES PURCHASED THIS YEAR. Unfortunately Sako and Beretta are trying to hide that fact. There has been a detailed discussion of 5 such blow-ups with photos on the Gunsmithing section of the forums on www.accuratereloading.com I will post it there . Please try to find out more and if you can contact the owner and notify him of the recall...Photos would be nice Save all parts. At this point it seems to be a problem of a bad batch of steel ..SHAME ON BERETTA
I never spoke about the action strength. I would agree with you if most, if not all the rifles, blew up. What I saw was two American brand guns blow up and the others take it in stride (or at least not blow into a million pieces of shrapnel like a hand grenade). If you are content with having a firearm that will take off your hand if there might be an obstruction or unnecessary stress for whatever reason, then buy one. For me, safety starts with a quality product that will go beyond just "meeting the grade". What I saw was pathetic and pure garbage. It's unfortunate that "Made in the USA" has little pride anymore. Here's a beautiful example of why that is.
The original post asked, "In current bolt gun who makes the strongest action??? "
... and yet if you have a catastrophic case failure the Remington 700 is the strongest and safest and will be the last to blow up... that's more important to me than filling the barrel with wood and shooting it...
Do an action blow up test by firing a factory .303 British cartridge in a factory 7mm Remington Magnum chamber.
The 700 will survive without any damage and the bullet will exit the barrel because the case will not rupture due to the design of the 700 action. The case expands and is supported by the "3 rings of steel". I have seen this happen. The rest will most likely blow up because the case will rupture. When they blow up be sure to have your shooting glasses on.
The Europeans do a great job of making barrels I'm sure but the one barrel I saw which split full length due to a barrel obstruction at the muzzle was a German Weatherby. I've not seen any barrel fired with an obstruction (even a minor one) which did not bulge. Some have split; if the obstruction was serious enough but that Weatherby was the most impressive.
I've had the good fortune to see quite a few rifles which were fired with severe overloads or wrong ammunition and have a pretty good basis for judgement.
As Dennis pointed out, Remingtons are very good. I've seem one survive having a 308 Norma round fired through it's 7mm STW barrel. The 180 grain Swift bullet went through and even killed a fairish black bear with one shot. It was well that the one shot did the trick because he wasn't getting another. The bolt was siezed shut. Once I got the case out and replaced the extractor, the rifle was fine and headspace was unchanged. Another was a 30/06 which was loaded with 49 grains of 4227 and a 180 grain bullet (DON'T try this load in your 30/06's guys). We knew this because the shooter had written the load on the box. I guess he figured 4227 was pretty close to 4320 so it would work! Anyway, the 700 was seized but, once the case was removed, the bolt nose squeezed back down, and the extractor replaced, the rifle was fine.
A Ruger 77 which fired the same load was also fundementally OK but showed the difference in philosophy between the two designers. The Ruger, like the Mauser 98, vents the gases from a case failure while the 700 seal them in. So the Ruger's bolt and receiver was just fine but the extractor was gone as was the floorplate and magazine spring and follower. The stock was split and the scope was bent.
The Savage 110 is also very strong and safe. Possibly the equal of the Remington. One customer fired three 7x57 rounds through his 270 before he noticed what he was doing. He said it seemed to kick a bit harder and wasn't shooting real well.
About this same time another fellow fired one 7x57 through his 270 Colt -Sauer and blew it up. You don't always get what you pay for.
I once saw the same mixup as described by Dennis- a 303 through a 7mm Mag- but this in a Parker-Hale (a commercial Mauser). Again, there was no real damage to the receiver or bolt but the extractor and magazine were gone and the stock was split.
It is not uncommon to see older Mausers which were subjected to repeated firings with too-heavy loads in which the locking lugs had set back into the receiver. I've not seen this in many modern actions but have in some. A browning A-bolt was brought in because it was misfiring. It was misfiring because it had developed about .015" of headspace from lug setback. The load, a stout load of 4350 in a 30/06, should not have done this but it did.
Another was a 358 Norma on a Browning BLR which the owner had ruined by overloading it.
A sako L61 chambered for what was essentially a 30 STW set back by about .006 after several years of loads which were a bit warm.
It makes little sense to load any rifle too hot. Do so and you risk cumulative damage which might result in a catastrophic failure after a period of time. At best an expensive lesson and at worst a tragic one. The loading error (wrong powder, wrong scale setting, etc.) is another matter and this is where you are depending on you action to let you get away with it. Most will do this but it pays to be careful anyway. Regards, Bill.
I've had the good fortune to see quite a few rifles which were fired with severe overloads or wrong ammunition and have a pretty good basis for judgement.
As Dennis pointed out, Remingtons are very good. I've seem one survive having a 308 Norma round fired through it's 7mm STW barrel. The 180 grain Swift bullet went through and even killed a fairish black bear with one shot. It was well that the one shot did the trick because he wasn't getting another. The bolt was siezed shut. Once I got the case out and replaced the extractor, the rifle was fine and headspace was unchanged. Another was a 30/06 which was loaded with 49 grains of 4227 and a 180 grain bullet (DON'T try this load in your 30/06's guys). We knew this because the shooter had written the load on the box. I guess he figured 4227 was pretty close to 4320 so it would work! Anyway, the 700 was seized but, once the case was removed, the bolt nose squeezed back down, and the extractor replaced, the rifle was fine.
A Ruger 77 which fired the same load was also fundementally OK but showed the difference in philosophy between the two designers. The Ruger, like the Mauser 98, vents the gases from a case failure while the 700 seal them in. So the Ruger's bolt and receiver was just fine but the extractor was gone as was the floorplate and magazine spring and follower. The stock was split and the scope was bent.
The Savage 110 is also very strong and safe. Possibly the equal of the Remington. One customer fired three 7x57 rounds through his 270 before he noticed what he was doing. He said it seemed to kick a bit harder and wasn't shooting real well.
About this same time another fellow fired one 7x57 through his 270 Colt -Sauer and blew it up. You don't always get what you pay for.
I once saw the same mixup as described by Dennis- a 303 through a 7mm Mag- but this in a Parker-Hale (a commercial Mauser). Again, there was no real damage to the receiver or bolt but the extractor and magazine were gone and the stock was split.
It is not uncommon to see older Mausers which were subjected to repeated firings with too-heavy loads in which the locking lugs had set back into the receiver. I've not seen this in many modern actions but have in some. A browning A-bolt was brought in because it was misfiring. It was misfiring because it had developed about .015" of headspace from lug setback. The load, a stout load of 4350 in a 30/06, should not have done this but it did.
Another was a 358 Norma on a Browning BLR which the owner had ruined by overloading it.
A sako L61 chambered for what was essentially a 30 STW set back by about .006 after several years of loads which were a bit warm.
It makes little sense to load any rifle too hot. Do so and you risk cumulative damage which might result in a catastrophic failure after a period of time. At best an expensive lesson and at worst a tragic one. The loading error (wrong powder, wrong scale setting, etc.) is another matter and this is where you are depending on you action to let you get away with it. Most will do this but it pays to be careful anyway. Regards, Bill.
