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alltieear

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Hi all,

i tried to do a quick search of the legalities of this but couldnt really find anything.

has anyone tried stripping their ar15 down to the lower and registering it with the CFO as a stripped lower?
 
Think your too late you have to notify them within 30 days of the change so I think it had to be done 30 days after 01 May OIC ban. That way you could say you did it pre ban and sold the upper to Mike from Canmore

I'm sorry I think the others are right with removing all the parts but the lower and upper which are now prohib. I thought you meant to just keep the stripped lower and not say you had an upper.
 
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I would think since only the actual upper and lower receivers are the “prohib” parts, one could completely strip them down - sell the barrel, trigger parts, BCG, stock assembly and so on, just leaving a stripped lower (to be re-registered as such within 30 days) and a stripped upper, that cannot be registered as it is not a serialized part??
Although CBSA have decided, on their own, that ALL AR related parts are prohib from coming into the country, you can still buy everything from sponsors here, other than the stripped lower or stripped upper, clearly showing that all those parts are in fact NOT illegal or prohib.
Thoughts???
 
Here is my take, with OIC your registration certificate is no longer valid, OIC specifically name the upper receiver prohibited, but does not to include parts like the bolt carrier, barrel and other parts. The regulation that required you to inform the CFO within 30 days of any status change is no longer applicable since the firearm is prohibited and will remained prohibited no matter it is a functioning firearm or in frame only, Also your firearm no longer has a valid certificate up be updated and re-issued.

The only requirement that still applies is if you destroyed the receivers you have to inform the CFO.
 
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One excuse could be, think of the children. You were so afraid of owning such a hideous weapon you tore it apart and sold off or repurposed the parts just in case it got in the hands of a criminal.
 
I was in the middle of parting out an AR when the ban hit. I had sold the upper on April 23, and tried on May 6 to have my registration changed to "lower receiver only". They would not do it, explaining that they could not issue the new registration certificate because I was "no longer licensed to possess that class of firearm". I asked what I was supposed to do in 2 years when the RCMP wanted to confiscate my now-prohibited AR, and I didn't have the now-prohibited upper to turn in. I was told to "keep the info of who I'd sold it to". When I explained that I did not have that info as I was not required to obtain it to sell a previously unregulated rifle part, they had no answer for me.
 
fleabaggins said:
I would think since only the actual upper and lower receivers are the “prohib” parts, one could completely strip them down - sell the barrel, trigger parts, BCG, stock assembly and so on, just leaving a stripped lower (to be re-registered as such within 30 days) and a stripped upper, that cannot be registered as it is not a serialized part??
Although CBSA have decided, on their own, that ALL AR related parts are prohib from coming into the country, you can still buy everything from sponsors here, other than the stripped lower or stripped upper, clearly showing that all those parts are in fact NOT illegal or prohib.
Thoughts???
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All these parts would probably be worthless now, since everyone has excess of them. And the most expensive parts (barrel and handguard) would not be compatible with all the 180 clones coming into marked now anyway.
 
I sold my two uppers on April 27th and called them on the 28th and called them to register them as lowers only. I have not received the new registration as of yet...
 
That is dumb as .....

I am thinking, if I move to another address and dont want to surrender the whole ar15 I can just turn in the stripped receiver, in case the OIC is overturned or the injunction is granted.

But it looks like I'll have to surrender the whole rifle...
 
kekservative said:
All these parts would probably be worthless now, since everyone has excess of them. And the most expensive parts (barrel and handguard) would not be compatible with all the 180 clones coming into marked now anyway.
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I think they still have lots of value. My prediction is if we do loose this battle and AR's are gone, all kinds of new receivers are going to hit the market that are Canadian made, and will be AR look alikes that are compatible with all AR parts and Barrels. They won't fall under "varient" and fall under non restricted status hopefully. Will happen much easier If Alberta for example creates their own CFO. ATRS modern sporter upper and lower for example.

I say strip the Rifles worst case, send the receivers in if this gets bad (#### hits the fan) keep all the parts for another future build since they are non regulated.
 
kulkerath said:
I was in the middle of parting out an AR when the ban hit. I had sold the upper on April 23, and tried on May 6 to have my registration changed to "lower receiver only". They would not do it, explaining that they could not issue the new registration certificate because I was "no longer licensed to possess that class of firearm". I asked what I was supposed to do in 2 years when the RCMP wanted to confiscate my now-prohibited AR, and I didn't have the now-prohibited upper to turn in. I was told to "keep the info of who I'd sold it to". When I explained that I did not have that info as I was not required to obtain it to sell a previously unregulated rifle part, they had no answer for me.
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^this, i am in the same boat. The way i see it is, i reported the change within 30 days, what they decide to do with my reporting the change is out of my control and none of my business.
 
alltieear said:
That is dumb as .....

I am thinking, if I move to another address and dont want to surrender the whole ar15 I can just turn in the stripped receiver, in case the OIC is overturned or the injunction is granted.

But it looks like I'll have to surrender the whole rifle...
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You will be permitted to move your prohibited AR15 to your new address. Just call and inform them of the move.
 
Mine are all stripped and the remaining bare lowers are locked in the safe with a trigger lock. They are waiting to be destroyed and reported when the end of days comes.
 
alltieear said:
That is dumb as .....

I am thinking, if I move to another address and dont want to surrender the whole ar15 I can just turn in the stripped receiver, in case the OIC is overturned or the injunction is granted.

But it looks like I'll have to surrender the whole rifle...
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To answer your first question, as the firearm is prohibited, you do not have a prohibited license, and the registrar is proceeding as though your previous certificate is no longer valid, there is no existing certificate to amend.

The registrar will not allow you to reregister any more than they would let you acquire a new one.

If the registrar is correct that your certificate is not valid, then you do not need to report any modifications to the firearm at all.

Nothing about the prohibition dictates you must surrender the firearm in the configuration which conforms to the certificate. We have no idea what the legislation to provide for compensation will say, or if we will ever see it.

I honestly don't think anyone receiving your surrendered firearm will care one bit whether they get the whole firearm or just the receiver.
 
Sqr said:
Mine are all stripped and the remaining bare lowers are locked in the safe with a trigger lock. They are waiting to be destroyed and reported when the end of days comes.
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I thought the trigger lock was supposed to go on the trigger in the parts bin?
 
Sqr said:
Mine are all stripped and the remaining bare lowers are locked in the safe with a trigger lock. They are waiting to be destroyed and reported when the end of days comes.
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Seriously?

We must have very different plans for the end of days. I'll have to update my plans to include having all the former gun owners who surrendered their firearms plough my fields...
 
Follow along with me kiddies....

Step 1: Day before the ban you decided to make an art display from melted aluminum made from your upper receiver collection.

Step 2: Same day you sold all relevant internal and external parts to Mike from Canmore.

Step 3: Day of ban and all days thereafter you couldn't re-register as stripped lower.

Legally you are A - OK. Unless of course you forgot to "melt down" a couple uppers and are caught with them after the 2 years are up.
 
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