Interesting this thread says they just proved the opposite.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285895
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285895
Study links lead in blood to wild game consumption
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Isn't that interesting... when you do your own study and no one validates the facts with UN-BIASED science (or even uses common sense to judge the facts), you can make your numbers and opinions up as you go. For instance, did you know that 63% of statistcs are just made up on the spot? Regardless of how well made the video was, proper cleaning and prep will mean no threat to ones health from lead bullets.
You should note that the MNR made no strong claims regarding meat safety but advised caution. Their study clearly showed that lead dispersion in the body cavity was fairly extensive. The claim of the doctor from ND doesn't change the findings of the MNR experiments. The MNR said that further testing is needed in order to determine if there is a definite affect on food safety. It's not like the NSSF is a scientific organization or unbiased.
smokin'stoegie
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Crock o' sh#t!!
What self-respecting hunter does NOT cut around the entry and exit wound, and besides, what exactly is the mechansim for lead to travel beyond that when the circulatory system has stopped???
..and as someone correctly pointed out, bullet degradation is virtually non-existent with modern rounds.
What self-respecting hunter does NOT cut around the entry and exit wound, and besides, what exactly is the mechansim for lead to travel beyond that when the circulatory system has stopped???
..and as someone correctly pointed out, bullet degradation is virtually non-existent with modern rounds.
Crock o' sh#t!!
What self-respecting hunter does NOT cut around the entry and exit wound, and besides, what exactly is the mechansim for lead to travel beyond that when the circulatory system has stopped???
..and as someone correctly pointed out, bullet degradation is virtually non-existent with modern rounds.
Ah, another one that read the study....
Fury hit the nail right on the head. The MNR study is sound.....what the effects are in humans is speculation at this point. Read the MNR study, you'll learn something, I guarantee it! There's even a little slide show for those that can't read!
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This is just another example of a camel getting it's nose into the tent....followed by more fear mongering and leading to the eventual banning of all lead in all bullets...it's for the children you know.....
These studies are probably heavily funded by the animal activists...Peta, WWF, SPCA etc, etc ...
These studies are probably heavily funded by the animal activists...Peta, WWF, SPCA etc, etc ...
The studies referenced here are valid. OTHER than the one conducted by the dermatologist. However, his study led to the other studies and in point of fact confirmed his findings (sometimes crap science forces good science to find the same conclusions).
Lead in game can be transferred to humans. Is it a problem? I guess we will need more research. The current studies only show that it does show up in higher amounts in hunters and their families than in non-hunters and their kin.
That doesn't negate the health benefits of game meat. It is merely one of the checks and balances that helps us decide what is best for us. I.E. does a slight elevation of lead levels negate the lower cholesterol and higher protein of game?
IMHO, No it doesn't.
Lead in game can be transferred to humans. Is it a problem? I guess we will need more research. The current studies only show that it does show up in higher amounts in hunters and their families than in non-hunters and their kin.
That doesn't negate the health benefits of game meat. It is merely one of the checks and balances that helps us decide what is best for us. I.E. does a slight elevation of lead levels negate the lower cholesterol and higher protein of game?
IMHO, No it doesn't.
I think the important thing being missed here is that the MNR study demonstrated ways to lessen lead contamination in wild game. I never saw any suggestion not to eat wild meat....only to choose bullets or firearms accordingly.
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Here's a study from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that settles the question, once and for all.
http://www.nssf.org/BP2/SpecialBP.htm
"......consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition poses absolutely no health risk to people, including children, and that the call to ban lead ammunition was and remains a scare tactic being pushed by anti-hunting groups to forward their political agenda."
Ted
http://www.nssf.org/BP2/SpecialBP.htm
"......consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition poses absolutely no health risk to people, including children, and that the call to ban lead ammunition was and remains a scare tactic being pushed by anti-hunting groups to forward their political agenda."
Ted
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A few years back I was eating piece of deer roast when I almost broke a tooth on a small piece of lead fragment. The roast was no where near the entry wound. Lead fragments can travel a long way.
I also have 2 pieces of a 180 gr 30 cal projectile in my arm. A friend discharged a 30-06 into a rock fence inadvertantly(long story ... very odd circumstances). Not a scratch on him however i was showered with fragments. Most i picked out with tweezers however a 9mm long shard hit my forearm on an odd angle. It traveled down the length of my arm for about 2" and then split into two shards, one was 5mm in length and the other 4mm. These traveled another 2" or so and are still in my arm. The doctor showed me the fragments on the x-ray. That small ricochet fragment went through 4" of forearm muscle.
My point again is that fragments like the study indicated travel quite a distance. There is not a whole lot of anything to stop them in the chest cavity so they can bury themselves in tissue quite a distance away.
I also have 2 pieces of a 180 gr 30 cal projectile in my arm. A friend discharged a 30-06 into a rock fence inadvertantly(long story ... very odd circumstances). Not a scratch on him however i was showered with fragments. Most i picked out with tweezers however a 9mm long shard hit my forearm on an odd angle. It traveled down the length of my arm for about 2" and then split into two shards, one was 5mm in length and the other 4mm. These traveled another 2" or so and are still in my arm. The doctor showed me the fragments on the x-ray. That small ricochet fragment went through 4" of forearm muscle.
My point again is that fragments like the study indicated travel quite a distance. There is not a whole lot of anything to stop them in the chest cavity so they can bury themselves in tissue quite a distance away.
saskgunowner101
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No doubt. Hey....anyone notice the smell....must be the old thread.
I agree with sheep - some people need to read the study and what is stated therein...not what they want it to contain in order to legitmize their heresy conspiracy. No one is saying that hunting is bad...I am sure MNR is very pro hunting!
It quite plausible that lead spreads further than we think and yes I am sure most of it is removed in trim and offal. What about spine shots? I am sure that if you tested the loins and backstraps of a spine shot deer they might be quite lead contaminated. It may not be dangerous, but still something to think of. I would happily change to no lead bullets for hunting, perhaps bonded cores lessen this contamination too?
I also agree that if you want to eat meat shot with an A-max that grenaded in the animal, go ahead. I also don't want a little grey man in a little grey suit telling me what I can do. BUT, this was just a warning...like other health warning that most of us take to heart or at least give some personal attention too.
It quite plausible that lead spreads further than we think and yes I am sure most of it is removed in trim and offal. What about spine shots? I am sure that if you tested the loins and backstraps of a spine shot deer they might be quite lead contaminated. It may not be dangerous, but still something to think of. I would happily change to no lead bullets for hunting, perhaps bonded cores lessen this contamination too?
I also agree that if you want to eat meat shot with an A-max that grenaded in the animal, go ahead. I also don't want a little grey man in a little grey suit telling me what I can do. BUT, this was just a warning...like other health warning that most of us take to heart or at least give some personal attention too.
wow. a little too much time on scientists hands i would say. people have been using lead bullets for 100's of years, and no problems. in my family wild game is a staple, i am a strongman competitor and i get tested 2x a year for my light/heavy metals, vitamins, and minerals, as well as kidney, liver, pancreas. nervous system function tests are done once a year. so to the scientists, i say, give me a break!
maybe they should test the animals, and if possible someone who has had side effects or died from lead poisioning from eating wild game.
maybe they should test the animals, and if possible someone who has had side effects or died from lead poisioning from eating wild game.
