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Well I was wondering if the side by side and the over-under shotguns had same applications or if they both had their specific roles ?
Why get a sXs rather then an O/U shotgun ?
 
Some people like the sxs and some like the over-unders... It's a preference thing... I personally like the sighting "plane" of the sxs shotguns, I tend to call them meat guns... and I tend to think of the over unders as a little "fancy" if you get what I mean...

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RevolverRodger said:
Well I was wondering if the side by side and the over-under shotguns had same applications or if they both had their specific roles ?
Why get a sXs rather then an O/U shotgun ?

Well I can now add possibly a even more stupid question to this thread since I have never had any experience with O/U shotguns. Since most if not all SxS units are break open single shots, does this also apply to O/U's?
 
RevolverRodger said:
Why get a sXs rather then an O/U shotgun ?
There are many more O/Us to choose from.

Since most if not all SxS units are break open single shots, does this also apply to O/U's?
They would be break-action double shots(two barrels ;) )...but yes, they're break-action as well.

:)
 
The traditional design of a SxS "game gun" is optimized for an instinctive style of shooting, what many call the Churchill method. The straight hand stock, splinter fore end and double triggers are made for quick shooting. The weight and balance is designed to accommodate a "snap shot". Of course, there are exceptions, and the American SxS's are largely duck guns with more weight, beavertail fore ends and pistol grips.

The instinctive style of shooting demands proper gun fit and a practiced, consistent gun mount. It is very difficult to shoot an English pattern SxS well if the stock of the gun is not well suited to the shooter. An U/O is more forgiving in this respect.

U/O guns are for the most part single trigger, pistol grip designs better suited to a swing through or sustained lead style of shooting. Usually a little heavier than an English pattern SxS, the weight supports the style of shooting they are designed for. Many people claim that the single barrel sighting plane offered by the U/O is easier to use, and that may be true for someone coming from a pump or auto, but I believe that you should be looking at the target, not the gun. I am not really conscious of the "sight plane" while shooting.

Because it is optimized for the deliberate style of shooting, the U/O dominates the clay target sports where the origin of the target and its approximate flight path is known. Grouse or pheasants often demand an instinctive shot, you don't know when, where or in what direction they are going to fly, and seldom offer more than a brief moment in which to make the shot. This makes the SxS a better tool for that use. While some U/O's have the weight and balance to accommodate an instinctive shot, none of them rest so low in the hands and provide so quick a mount as a well made SxS.

Yes, the English have made heavy fowler SxS's, and yes, some double triggered straight stocked U/O's exist, but I do not see the stack barreled guns as competitors to the SxS's. Rather, they are two distinct designs meant to fill two distinct niches in the shooting world. Target shooters in particular have a way of denigrating the SxS as an antiquated design, but I have yet to find a better tool for instinctive shooting. The existence of modern mass produced SxS game guns such as the Ruger Gold Label shows that I am not alone in my viewpoint (even if the Ruger has only one trigger - a concession to modern American tastes).

Like an F1 race car compared to a NASCAR stocker, both are highly tuned for their specific tasks. You can drive a Nextel cup car on a road course, and you can drive an F1 car on an oval, but neither is very well suited to the task. How finely the gun is tuned for its purpose in life is one of the measures of how well the gun is built. You are not likely to see a SxS win the world trap championship, but by the same token a man carrying an 8 1/2 lb. Perazzi through my sharptail fields is at a distinct disadvantage.

This is only my opinion, and many may disagree (feel free). My opinion comes from experience with both types of guns in both clay and upland game shooting. Try it for yourself, and see what conclusions you come to.

Sharptail
 
Hey Echo - never say never. There was a pump action SxS produced - you fired both barrels, shucked the pump and it loaded two more. There was one for sale on Mick's Guns site in the UK last year, but it seems the web site no longer exists. There was a small discussion about it on the doublegunshop page at the time.

Sharptail
 
Sorry, George, but that information is erroneous and incorrect. If the barrels are properly regulated they will shoot to the same point of aim, and if they do not return it for repair.

Sharptail
 
Sharptail said:
Sorry, George, but that information is erroneous and incorrect. .

Sharptail

I had the exact same thought like you, but I was proven wrong at the range shooting slugs. The difference was 3/4 of an inch lower than the top barrel. Now we only used one firearm but since you mentioned it I will try it again with another gun to test the theory.
 
GEORGE7mm said:
I had the exact same thought like you, but I was proven wrong at the range shooting slugs. The difference was 3/4 of an inch lower than the top barrel. Now we only used one firearm but since you mentioned it I will try it again with another gun to test the theory.
Try the gun with shot instead of slugs. I suspect they will pattern similarly with shot.

Properly regulated barrels do shoot to the same point with shot.

As for the original question Sharptail has outlined the differences between the two configurations. I use o/u for targets and sxs for hunting although have used light o/u for hunting as well.

If I had to pick one configuration over the other for everything it would be an o/u.
 
SXS's are different cats. They are much more sensitive to stock fit. It is hard to find an off the rack SXS that will shoot where you look, hence the time spent with fit etc in jolly old England.

That said if you do find a fit you will have a great gun for any types of hunting. They are responsive,fast handeling and a pleasure to use.

On the other hand an O/U is like an 870. They fit everybody kinda OK but nobody in perticular. Yet everbody can shoot one.

If you are a seasoned shooter then go for a SXS and ride the everthing old is new again and enjoy.
 
Just a side note: not all sxs are break action...the Darne and the Bretton come to mind....the Darne is one of the sweetest handling shotguns on earth,though they can be pricey.
 
Just a personal observation here. A SXS tends to be a bit quicker to reload than an OU because the action does not need to be opened to it's full travel. This is particularly true if the the actions are tight.
 
Claybuster said:
If I had to pick one configuration over the other for everything it would be an o/u.

If I had to choose one configuration.....that would have to be one of each, sxs and o/u :D.......unable to visualize the concept of shotgunning without a sxs in the equation :D
 
Shoot the slugs in that O/U at a different range, and you'll likely get different results.

And 3/4" difference with slugs is not statistically significant anyway.
 
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