su16-fx anybody have one

On the other hand, the barrel, barrel extension and bolt carrier group are metal, so everything involved in actually firing are metal. The receiver is only meant for directing recoil through into the stock and aligning components. In theory it could be made of wood and fulfill the same roll. In the event of a round firing out of battery I suspect that's why they've designed the ejection port so close to the extension and large in relation to what's required. There's a lot of space to vent any possible gasses that could travel back, and most if not all would be vented out the ejection port, down through the mag well or along with the bolt into the lower, in theory. They are super cheap guns, but I'm actually pleasantly surprised and the quality of the barrel and bolt group - if I had to guess, probably 70% of production costs go into the barrel and BCG alone with the remaining 30% going into the rest of the gun, packaging, mags etc.

I suspect dropping these isn't a massive issue... slamming a door on the butt or bending it between two objects would be, but that's pretty extreme... it's a general use commercial gun and not a military rifle. Only issue I can really see with these guns is the over-travel on the bolt; maximum recoil length allowed by the piston and spring is far in excess of that within the bolt, so hot loaded or low quality irregular pressure ammo should be avoided in case it starts slamming the bolt against the back of the receiver. Keltec could've solved this one with a cross bolt and rubber bumper back there, but they're already off on another project utilising a lot of the SU16 internals (M43).

In the end, it is what it is. An X version is a fun way to dress it up to look and feel more like an AR. People do that with 10/22's so it's not the worst concept in the world :d
 
H Wally said:
On the other hand, the barrel, barrel extension and bolt carrier group are metal, so everything involved in actually firing are metal. The receiver is only meant for directing recoil through into the stock and aligning components. In theory it could be made of wood and fulfill the same roll. In the event of a round firing out of battery I suspect that's why they've designed the ejection port so close to the extension and large in relation to what's required. There's a lot of space to vent any possible gasses that could travel back, and most if not all would be vented out the ejection port, down through the mag well or along with the bolt into the lower, in theory. They are super cheap guns, but I'm actually pleasantly surprised and the quality of the barrel and bolt group - if I had to guess, probably 70% of production costs go into the barrel and BCG alone with the remaining 30% going into the rest of the gun, packaging, mags etc.

I suspect dropping these isn't a massive issue... slamming a door on the butt or bending it between two objects would be, but that's pretty extreme... it's a general use commercial gun and not a military rifle. Only issue I can really see with these guns is the over-travel on the bolt; maximum recoil length allowed by the piston and spring is far in excess of that within the bolt, so hot loaded or low quality irregular pressure ammo should be avoided in case it starts slamming the bolt against the back of the receiver. Keltec could've solved this one with a cross bolt and rubber bumper back there, but they're already off on another project utilising a lot of the SU16 internals (M43).

In the end, it is what it is. An X version is a fun way to dress it up to look and feel more like an AR. People do that with 10/22's so it's not the worst concept in the world :d
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thank you.
 
superlative said:
where did I say that other guns made of polymer are okay? I don't think you understand the fundamental issue here. Only the outside of the Tavor is plastic, the fundamental linkages between the barrel and the receiver are metal. If you drop it, who gives a fig?

As for the Glock - where is the weight? It is in the steel slide. If dropped, the steel slide supports the structure and stability of the rest of the frame, and the weight distribution almost guarantees that it will be dropped on the steel slide.

The Kel Tec on the other hand is a steel barrel attached to a plastic body. When dropped you are putting stress on the plastic body because there is no metal supporting it. You insisting on comparing a plastic toy with military issue firearms is laughable.
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translation : guns should only be made out of wood and steel
 
My FX has been awesome. No ftf no fte with winchester white box. That being said, I will never buy a KelTec product again after my pmr30 blew up.

Their designs are some of the most innovative in the industry but their production and qc is too weak.
 
more like a new $800 rifle to be fair. it's made in the USA, not China. agree that the tacticool surcharge sucks
 
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If they were cheaper (i.e. there were plenty on the market and so there would be more than one or two on the EE at any one time), I would get one. I have heard a lot of negative stuff about the SU-16, but's it's mostly been 'A friend of my Aunt's second cousin's ex-husband had they're gun blow up', and all the good stuff has been from people who own it and not simply people saying 'I've got one on order so I hope it's good'. And really the price isn't bad for an NR black gun that looks like it's baby killing cousin the AR, and it even shares AR mags (LAR pistol mags and Beowulf come to mind) and it's the only sub $1000 black gun (barring the T97 and Norc M14, and also in a rifle calibre (JR Carbine, CX4 Storm, etc.)), considering the Tavor (which I own), and the XCR. Even the CZ 858 and Benelli MR1 are a little pricey for some folk.
 
My SU-16 has been fine. No issues. I can hit the 400 metre gong we have set up at the farm with the crappy plastic open sites it came with. Accurate enough for me.
 
It all depends what you want to do. If you want to get out in the great outdoors and shoot an AR Type gun their isn't a lot of choices so the SU 16 FX Fits that bill well. If you want to shoot only inside the confines of the range than you have a lot of choices. I am not a range guy so the SU16FX suits my style best. Never make excuses for what you shoot or what others think you should shoot. Just get out and shoot.
 
Black_Valkyrie said:
translation : guns should only be made out of wood and steel
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Because a wood stock has never cracked right?

Just because that's the way it's always been done doesn't mean it's the best way. It just means nobody has the balls to be innovative. At least KelTec is trying to get new concepts out there.
 
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