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I was just wondering, is it possible to purchase a KelTec PLR22, with the pistol grip stock adaptor, and a >7.5 inch stock, and have it reclassified as a non-restricted rifle? As long as the overall length is greater than 660mm I should be okay, right?

And if it is perfectly fine to do, how would I go about doing it with having an RPAL? Can a store purchase all the parts, and reclassify the rifle for me? Has anyone else done anything similar?
 
Nope, the PLR-22 cannot become non-restricted. If it was ever classified as a handgun, it will always be classified as one, no matter what you do to it.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/restr-eng.htm
Definition of a restricted firearm

According to the Criminal Code, a restricted firearm is:

  • a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
  • a firearm that
    • is not a prohibited firearm,
    • has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
    • is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
  • a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or
  • a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm
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Then if I could buy a PLR barrel and swap it for my su-22 barrel, I could have a shorter NR rifle. That's if I pin the sucker. Otherwise it will be shorter than 26.5" an be restricted.
So how can I get a plr barrel?
 
little_airwolf said:
Then if I could buy a PLR barrel and swap it for my su-22 barrel, I could have a shorter NR rifle. That's if I pin the sucker. Otherwise it will be shorter than 26.5" an be restricted.
So how can I get a plr barrel?
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That's the million dollar question. I'd say the most likely source would be Vault themselves. Barring that, you might be able to get a custom barrel made for it, though it would probably be cost prohibitive. In the end, it may just be just as cheap to get a PLR-22, and have a gunsmith swap the barrels on both receivers. As you said, the only other factor would be to make sure it comes in over the minimum OAL to remain NR.
 
What is the minimum length a barrel may be shortened before it falls under being prohibated? As I understand it, you can only use factory barrels if it falls under a minimum length.
 
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/prohibited-prohibe-eng.htm
Definition of a prohibited firearm

According to the Criminal Code, a prohibited firearm is:

  • a handgun that
    • has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
    • is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge, but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
  • a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
    • is less than 660 mm in length, or
    • is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
  • an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
  • any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm
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So the magic number for cutting down a barrel is to keep it above 457mm, or 18 inches. Factory barrels less than that length are not a problem though, because they were manufactured at the length they are, and not cut down, sawed down, or had any other alteration made to reach their length.
 
That seems ridiculous, because if I understand correctly, the PLR22 and SU22 are internally the exact same firearm, with the latter having a long barrel and stock.

So it would seem the only option then is swapping out the barrel on a SU22? A factory made barrel has no minimum length, as long as the OAL of the entire rifle is greater than 660mm. Now if we can find a way to get the factory made barrels in Canada.
 
matt4792 said:
That seems ridiculous, because if I understand correctly, the PLR22 and SU22 are internally the exact same firearm, with the latter having a long barrel and stock.

So it would seem the only option then is swapping out the barrel on a SU22? A factory made barrel has no minimum length, as long as the OAL of the entire rifle is greater than 660mm. Now if we can find a way to get the factory made barrels in Canada.
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The exact same situation exists/has existed for years with the 10/22 and the 10/22 Charger
 
Yes, I've talked to Vault (Monopoly) and they say the only way they would bring a PLR barrel in is if there was warranty work. However on the Kel-tec sight you can buy them. But being in Canada Vault has exclusive rights to Canada so we can't buy direct.
Anyone buying Kel-tec stuff up here in Canada is getting screwed including me!
I know they have to turn a profit but if you're not going to make it possible to buy what you want, we should be able to buy direct!!!
 
little_airwolf said:
Yes, I've talked to Vault (Monopoly) and they say the only way they would bring a PLR barrel in is if there was warranty work. However on the Kel-tec sight you can buy them. But being in Canada Vault has exclusive rights to Canada so we can't buy direct.
Anyone buying Kel-tec stuff up here in Canada is getting screwed including me!
I know they have to turn a profit but if you're not going to make it possible to buy what you want, we should be able to buy direct!!!
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You've learned well. Vault's monopoly hurts us all.
 
Maybe if enough of us bug them we can get something done. On a related note, there was a thread I read on here about a guy having an American company in Buffalo purchase a firearm for him, meet him at the border, then give him the rifle. He filled out all the necessary paperwork and registered the firearm himself. Couldn't we do the same thing with a barrel?

That may not be practical for every one here, but it would be one way around Vaults monopoly.
 
OP, Dlask Arms could make one for you at whatever length you want. It won't be super cheap, but it would let you sidestep Vault and KelTec entirely. How is the barrel attached on the Su-22? Many rimfires use a pressed in barrel and it may be tough to get the original barrel out.


Mark
 
I was told the minumum barrel length was 16" If I was to cut down the barrel. The kel-tec barrel is pressfit I think. The plr barrel is 10.1". Wouldn't a barrel from dlask have to be 16" also?
 
little_airwolf said:
I was told the minumum barrel length was 16" If I was to cut down the barrel. The kel-tec barrel is pressfit I think. The plr barrel is 10.1". Wouldn't a barrel from dlask have to be 16" also?
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You cannot cut a barrel shorter than 457mm (17.99"). A press fit barrel may be very difficult to remove without damaging the receiver, it depends on the details. There is no minimum barrel length for rimfire rifles, as long as the barrel is manufactured at that length and not cut down. Dlask can legally manufacture you a barrel in any length you like.


Mark
 
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