Sub 1/4 MOA with Stock Savage 10.

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2bad4u2 said:
You're reading more into this that what the man has stated. He's stating a fact while complimenting the OP for his accomplishment. No where does he even mention the brand of the rifle.
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Exactly. I think Savage makes one of the best "bang for your buck" accurate out of the box setups. I commonly recommend savage rifles to those looking to get into the precision game.

However, its humorous how people are calling it a sub 1/4 moa and using the term "repeatability" over just one group.
 
Crashman said:
Excellent shooting and congrats! It is a wonderful feeling to work hard on load development and shooting technique to have it all come together finally. Nothing wrong with that rifle or set up, I wouldn't change a thing, regardless of what all the "experts" say.
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No need to put a barrel on that rifle yet. Any of us would be happy as Hell to have a factory barrel and load combination that could produce that result - even once.
 
Nice shooting OP :cool:

There's a ton of positive reviews online regarding the PC Series, both in .223 & .308. Proof positive in the OPs' post. Say what you will about Savages' , they are accurate out of the box though.
 
kthomas said:
Exactly. I think Savage makes one of the best "bang for your buck" accurate out of the box setups. I commonly recommend savage rifles to those looking to get into the precision game.

However, its humorous how people are calling it a sub 1/4 moa and using the term "repeatability" over just one group.
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Totally agree, its all good guys and thanks for the kudos. I totally don't expect to be able to repeat a sub 1/4 MOA again - I would be happy with being able to repeat 1/2 MOA, especially for the challenge.
I may be able to squeak a tiny bit more uniformity in the hand loads when I purchase a concentricity gauge (on the Christmas list).
 
barsik said:
absolutely fantastic group for a factory rifle, nice shooting......now let's see you repeat that 4 more times.
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No pressure or anything! Ha! - you should have seen me on the 5th shot of the smallest group. I think I took about 10 minutes just to get the shot off.
I would have hated myself for life if I sh!t the bed on the last shot.
 
I find the ppl on here funny. If that was a $5000 surgeon rifle all the "experts" would be jizzing themselves (even with only 1 group posted) but because its a Savage it gets knocked down to the "you'll never be able to do that again" status. When will people accept that stock Savage rifles shoot great? I have the privelege of shooting some amazing sniper rifles in my line of work but when I bring out my stock model 10 fcp HS Precision and it nails gongs at 1000m just as easy as a 338 T Wolf...its not a fluke. Bring on the hate!
 
gregb said:
Totally agree, its all good guys and thanks for the kudos. I totally don't expect to be able to repeat a sub 1/4 MOA again - I would be happy with being able to repeat 1/2 MOA, especially for the challenge.
I may be able to squeak a tiny bit more uniformity in the hand loads when I purchase a concentricity gauge (on the Christmas list).
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If you aren't already, start weighing or checking your cases for volume. I weigh .223 into groups that are within .3gr. It's best to start with a 1000 once fired cases so you come out with a 100 or more per group. Doing this with .223 shrank my group size by half and brought the repeatability up to where I managed to finish second in two F/TR events last summer. I truly believe this step is where the repeatability comes from, oh and yes the concentricity gauge is a must, get the hornady model so you can also make adjustments to a live round.
 
I have shot a stock Savage .308 that Ruthless owns it is 1/2" or less I easily shot a 1/2" group with it very impressed! He then shot 1/2" and less groups with it! I witnessed them and was very surprised how consistant it was.He says he will never sell it!!

Swissin lay off my $5000 rifles they increase my poser status LOL!
 
cdn shooter said:
If you aren't already, start weighing or checking your cases for volume. I weigh .223 into groups that are within .3gr. It's best to start with a 1000 once fired cases so you come out with a 100 or more per group. Doing this with .223 shrank my group size by half and brought the repeatability up to where I managed to finish second in two F/TR events last summer. I truly believe this step is where the repeatability comes from, oh and yes the concentricity gauge is a must, get the hornady model so you can also make adjustments to a live round.
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Thanks for the info. Yup, the Hornady is on the list - being able to make adjustments to the live round is a must for me.
 
gunrunner8 said:
Yes Jerry and you are ready to replace his perfectly good barrel with one of your own....
While at it why don't you quote the price to him.
Also I have news for you, the "match barrels" might be no better than his factory one if not worse.
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Perhaps I'm mis-reading this but it would seem GR8 you are saying that MP is telling the OP to get rid of his barrel right away and install a match barrel, I read MP's post as saying to continue using the stock barrel, enjoy it but realize the fantastic group is not likely to be expected all the time and that an aftermarket 'match' barrel would be more consistent. As far as the match barrels not being any better than the Savage factory barrel or even being worse, this would lead a person to believe you're a Savage rep which is awesome because I too have a couple of Savage rifles and love them! Not sure if the barrel manufacturers that are being referred to also supply Savage, maybe you can advise which brand/type you are referring to, in your post, as I'm considering doing a barrel swap in the New Year and it would help me make an educated decision. Thanks
 
swissinn said:
I find the ppl on here funny. If that was a $5000 surgeon rifle all the "experts" would be jizzing themselves (even with only 1 group posted) but because its a Savage it gets knocked down to the "you'll never be able to do that again" status. When will people accept that stock Savage rifles shoot great? I have the privelege of shooting some amazing sniper rifles in my line of work but when I bring out my stock model 10 fcp HS Precision and it nails gongs at 1000m just as easy as a 338 T Wolf...its not a fluke. Bring on the hate!
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You're trying to stir up ##### where there isn't any to be found. No one here has said anything about the advantages of a custom rifle over a stock rifle and no one is slagging Savages for that matter either. And there are no "experts" here making the claims you suggest.

Oh, and what's your line of work that allows you to enjoy shooting the rifles that you say you do?

I'd challenge your assertion that a .308 Win. is just as easy to hit @ 1,000 yards as a .338 Lapua (assuming of course the shooter can handle the recoil of the much larger round). Do the math on the wind drift and get back to us on that.
 
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2bad4u2 said:
You're trying to stir up ##### where there isn't any to be found. No one here has said anything about the advantages of a custom rifle over a stock rifle and no one is slagging Savages for that matter either. And there are no "experts" here making the claims you suggest.

Oh, and what's your line of work that allows you to enjoy shooting the rifles that you say you do?

I'd challenge your assertion that a .308 Win. is just as easy to hit @ 1,000 yards as a .338 Lapua (assuming of course the shooter can handle the recoil of the much larger round). Do the math on the wind drift and get back to us on that.
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Just a Canadian Forces sniper for 3 years...but what would I know right. With all that math and wind calculations and such.
 
2bad4u2 said:
You're trying to stir up ##### where there isn't any to be found. No one here has said anything about the advantages of a custom rifle over a stock rifle and no one is slagging Savages for that matter either. And there are no "experts" here making the claims you suggest.

Oh, and what's your line of work that allows you to enjoy shooting the rifles that you say you do?

I'd challenge your assertion that a .308 Win. is just as easy to hit @ 1,000 yards as a .338 Lapua (assuming of course the shooter can handle the recoil of the much larger round). Do the math on the wind drift and get back to us on that.
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http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-Concentration?highlight=sniper+concentration
 
swissinn said:
Just a Canadian Forces sniper for 3 years...but what would I know right. With all that math and wind calculations and such.
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Apparently not as much as you think making the comments you did. With all your "expertise" on the matter, I would think you'd know enough to realize what your basing your conclusions on is an apples to oranges comparison.
 
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Okay so what you are saying is that u cannot hit a 1000m target with your 338 as easily as I can with a 308 Savage. Sounds like you need some remedial shooting lessons! I'm available...and cheap!
 
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