We often find the same condition in clays on our trap field and nobody I know except myself has shot 9's on it for years .
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We don't find a lot of them ,but we find more with new/lesser skilled shooters, who tend to shoot #7-1/2 or #8.
I can see the targets slightly move but not break when I used 9s. I started going to check the clay and sure enough it was tickled but not enough. The only 9s I use are ones I get free for 410 just because my mec is an ####### and bridges alot even with the 9s. All of my 410s are full choke or have a turkey choke so if I do my part I can still dust them but if im not perfectly centered I just chip my way to a half decent score
When we used white flyers it was rare to find an intact clay with a hole in it
When we used white flyers it was rare to find an intact clay with a hole in it
Exactly, if the pellet size was a big issue, you would think that there would be a lot more superficial damage to an unbroken clay.
One pellet hole with no other damage to the clay says to me clay was hit outside the main shot pattern .
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I use skeet chokes in my 410 barrels, so if anything, I should find more targets with single holes, or tiny chips, but I don't. Obviously my 410 breaks are not as dramatic as my 28 gauge breaks, but I still get reliable enough breaks to shoot a lot of clean rounds
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A number of years back Rick Lawry and I had a conversation about their targets. Their targets are actually not any harder than White Flyer. If anything they are "softer" hence the pellet holes without a break! Whiteflyer are very brittle in comparison.
The shape of the targets and the design of the pitch used dramatically changes how it is held together. The rounder domed shape of a white flyer target lends itself to more surface area to be hit which can lead to more pellets hitting that larger surface area which in turn lends itself to breaking apart easier than a multiple shallow ridged dome target such as the Lawry and Caldwell designs. Also in talking with Rick he told me their targets are designed for their best breaks and "smoke" at temps from 70F and up. Now that was close to 30 years ago we had that conversation and I'm sure like most manufacturers design changes and material changes occurr over the years. One other thing I noticed personally. All orange targets, that is those covered in paint top to bottom break differently and smoke much, much less than those that only have the orange dome with the black bottom edge and if you really want to see a smoke show shoot unpainted solid black targets! Personally I could care less which brand a club is throwing at a shoot but I definitely leaned towards our club supporting Canadian clay target manufacturers(Lawry) instead of imported targets(White Flyer) when I was in charge years ago of target purchases and running our shoots.
The shape of the targets and the design of the pitch used dramatically changes how it is held together. The rounder domed shape of a white flyer target lends itself to more surface area to be hit which can lead to more pellets hitting that larger surface area which in turn lends itself to breaking apart easier than a multiple shallow ridged dome target such as the Lawry and Caldwell designs. Also in talking with Rick he told me their targets are designed for their best breaks and "smoke" at temps from 70F and up. Now that was close to 30 years ago we had that conversation and I'm sure like most manufacturers design changes and material changes occurr over the years. One other thing I noticed personally. All orange targets, that is those covered in paint top to bottom break differently and smoke much, much less than those that only have the orange dome with the black bottom edge and if you really want to see a smoke show shoot unpainted solid black targets! Personally I could care less which brand a club is throwing at a shoot but I definitely leaned towards our club supporting Canadian clay target manufacturers(Lawry) instead of imported targets(White Flyer) when I was in charge years ago of target purchases and running our shoots.
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We shoot both full orange and top orange and i haven't noticed a difference nor with the all white targets we used for night shoots under the lights
As for total smoke if you center the pattern on it it doesnt much matter the temp
As for total smoke if you center the pattern on it it doesnt much matter the temp
410g skeet chokes…I share a table on #3 skeet field at the Hamilton Gun Club with 2 chaps that are in the Canadian shooters hall of fame. Their observations are that all barrels in 410g marked skeet are in actual fact made to pattern full choke in spite of their designation. Reason being it takes that to enable that small payload of #9 shot to give you a 100% chance of breaking 100 straight. Pellets like #8 or #8-1/2 lessen the chances of 100 straight in skeet. Our hardcore skeet shooters are also looking for the best pellets to reload…controversy on Hummason shot, extra hard vs premium extra hard vs Lawrence Magnum shot… all this and a tight choke makes a difference in the 410g…maybe so, but maybe not quite as much as they imagine.
Our club also goes through the which targets are better BS….its political, financial and superstition mixed together in deciding where to buy next. I think we are importing clay targets from Italy now. I don’t discriminate, I miss them all equally.
We use White Flyer, primarily because the rep delivers them to our range, rather than having to arrange shipping from Lawry. At my previous club, we received a shipment with damaged targets because of a shipping issue. But when it comes down to it, I prefer targets that break more reliably, given that I shoot a lot of 410.
that was a real lousy deal for sure!
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A lot of lost targets, and a lot of labor manually sorting and loading targets into the sea can. The White Flyer rep pulls up with his truck, drops his ranp to our shed, then transfers each pallet over with his electric pallet jack.
