Sub MOA 30-30? Range pictures

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- Marlin 336 from 1976
- Hornady LeverEvolution 160FTX
- Vortex Crossfire II 3-9x40

100 yards (Target is divided into 1/2" squares)[/B][/U]
Looks like center to center is under an inch?
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Covered with a nickel:
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Next two shots were to adjust for 3 inches high for 200 yard zero. Looks like about 3.25" high and 0.5" left on the upper shot. The Vortex seems to "settle" in with a couple shots. Not impressed with that. I need a scope that tracks solid.

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200 Yards

Regular Remington target, the circles seem to be about 1/2" increments which would make that spread around 2 to 2.5 inches. Honestly my trigger work is still not up to snuff, I think I could have placed that within an inch once I have better experience with the rifle. I am glad my adjustments from the previous target had settled into a nice POI on that target, about 1 inch high which is totally acceptable. However I will adjust for a zero, which would translate to a half inch lower at the 100 yard range.

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Overall I am totally impressed with this rifle. It is absolutely awesome. Better than what I expected anyways. I could have done a better group given better shooting on my part. I think this rifle is a shooter given these results. I am totally set on a new optic though, something that will adjust without that "settling in" issue. But hey maybe I was just off with those shots? We'll see when I get another optic. Not totally set on anything yet..
 
A friend of mine had the same rifle about the same era. He claimed it would not hit the broad side of a barn, seeing as it was his only rifle and hunting season was around the corner I offed to get it shooting the next day. I took at few shots with his old reloads and parallax infested lyman scope. It made about 4 foot groups at 100 yards! So I switched scopes for a 4x weaver and made up some 170g Speer hand loads. I shot 3 rounds at 100 yards and almost fell over when I went up to look at the target. It was as impressive as a group as a anyone can hope for. So I shot another group and then another, that rifle was one of the best shooting hunting rifles I have ever shot. I gained new respect for the Marlin 336 that day. Looks like yours is a shooter as well. Enjoy it.
 
My 1957 Marlin 336 in 35 Remington using 200 grain round nose bullets is in the same class as those good shooting 30-30s mentioned.
Going to give it a better work out one of these days, trying 158 grain bullets designed for the 357 magnum pistol, also.
To be more meaningful, five shot groups should be used.
 
No surprises here.
These sort of target groups are what are making these
Marlins gaining ground on the Winchester 94's.
Plus the ease of mounting glass on them.
 
I have a bit of experience with scope sighted Marlins. Most are quite accurate, as observed by the posters in this thread.

For a real eye opener, load the magazine in one of these really accurate rifles, and shoot groups fed from the mag, instead of loaded single shot. The point of impact can sometimes change noticeably as the weight of the loaded magazine changes. Give it a try, and see how much the effect is in your rifle.

Great hunting rifles, especially the twenty-four inch with half magazine.
Ted
 
Good shooting... My 94's can't get that done, althought my single shot .30/30's are easily under MOA with handloaded 150 NBT's...

Where the biggest benefit comes into play is "confidence"... Everyone shoots better with a gun that they confident will hit where they intend it to...

I'm with H4831 in shooting five shot groups... My Dad had a saying; "3's company, 4's a crowd, it takes FIVE to make a group!"

I've stuck with that these past few decades...
 
To be fair tho... None of my 94's are scoped... My singles are all scoped... As is the OP's 336...
 
Good shooting. I think these levers are more accurate than many realize. My 57 vintage Win94 in 32 special shot as well or better than other open sighted rifles I have tried, short sight radius and all. I generally keep 4 rounds in the tube mag when shooting groups to mimic hunting conditions.
 
H4831 said:
My 1957 Marlin 336 in 35 Remington using 200 grain round nose bullets is in the same class as those good shooting 30-30s mentioned.
Going to give it a better work out one of these days, trying 158 grain bullets designed for the 357 magnum pistol, also.
To be more meaningful, five shot groups should be used.
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I have the sister to your 35 rem.........same year and caliber but like a fool I sent it in and had it drilled and tapped for a scope.......many of deer have fallen victim to the business end of her as well........
 
This one is new to me and still unfired by me.
Need to go bug the gun powder feller one of these days.
Yup SuperFuddCup, that is a Leupold on there.

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And the rifling before the Micro-groove.

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And a reply to my WTB for some reloading dies.
Thanks feller gummutters.......:wave:

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Gaaaaaad, I need a divet of some sort. Maybe a grizz or a duck.
Next on the to buy list.
 
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yodave said:
I have the sister to your 35 rem.........same year and caliber but like a fool I sent it in and had it drilled and tapped for a scope.......many of deer have fallen victim to the business end of her as well........
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Mine is also drilled for a scope. It is on the top flat area and I presumed, and still think, it is factory drilling. I am only the second owner and it came with part of a box of Dominion ammo that also dates back to the time of the rifle. Price on the box of shells was $5.45! It was drilled, tapped and had dummy screws in it. There was no way the original owner did that, back in the days when scopes were considered a gimmick.
In any case, don't worry about yours. A scope is a very useful tool on them and is much better, in my opinion, than keeping them pristine for a collector to enjoy looking at. You will have much more enjoyment out of shooting it.
 
My mid-80's Winchester M94 XTR AE can't match that grouping. I followed The accurizing tips in Sam Fadalas's book "Wnchester's .30-30, Model 94 and improved the group sizes but still my best group was 3 shots into 1 5/8" at 100 yards benchrest.
 
I have one of those super grouper 336 Marlins as well, and not just with one bullet and load either!
Groups under 1" at 100 and 2" at 200 are common with this rifle and the Nikon 4X it has on it.

I have a M94 Winchester from the same era that, fitted with a Williams FP aperture and Firesight front
that shoots 1¼ moa on a regular basis with one load, and 1½ moa with three other loads.

So it's not the worst shooting 30-30 I have seen by a long shot!

My M94, 38-55 [Built in 1979] is a very accurate levergun, with Jacketed and cast loads it likes flirting with moa
all the time. [It also has Williams FP and firesight....and a 24" barrel]

I think that the general concept that these rifle are all 3 moa or worse is a fallacy in most of the later offerings, at least.

Cheers, Dave.
 
Here's one of my little super groupers 100y zero, 3 shot group. Leupold 1-4 scope. This one likes the 170g Fusions.

 
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