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luke s said:
titegroup 2.8 grain is the max in lyman 49th edition for a LEAD 147 gr bullet. Generally you start with lead data for PLATED projectiles and work up

if they were FMJ's, then yes, this would be below minimum,

BUT these cycled and shot through 100%, it was the unique powder/win FMJ projectile that failed
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Uh that doesnt sound right. 2.8 grains of titegroup is way to low for plated bullets. I use titegroup for 9mm with 124grain plated bullets and I usually use 4.2 grains. I can't remember the data for 147grain but it shouldnt be that low.
 
epic said:
Uh that doesnt sound right. 2.8 grains of titegroup is way to low for plated bullets. I use titegroup for 9mm with 124grain plated bullets and I usually use 4.2 grains. I can't remember the data for 147grain but it shouldnt be that low.
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lower bullet weight = more powder, this is true. cant compare 124's and 147's thought.

lyman 49th: 2.8 gr titegroup for lead 147 gr is the listed max @ 943 fps
lyman 49th: 3.6 gr titegroup for FMJ 147 is the listed max @ 983 fps

but again, this load was 100% fine. this is what I am shooting in the video above.

the problem happened during the 4.5gr unique/win FMJ 124gr listed min @ 997 fps

and a quote from aimprojectiles.com website"
If you are currently loading lead or jacketed bullets and want to make the switch to plated, you will have to adjust your load recipe. Typically, charge weights for plated bullets will be somewhere between that of lead and jacketed, tending more towards lead. So look in the loading manuals for a good lead load and start there, working up in 1/10th grain increments until they loads chronograph according to your needs. As always, watch closely pro signs of pressure. You will also have to take into consideration the bullet profile and length. Note that small decreases in seating depth can result in huge pressure spikes, so be sure to adjust your dies to compensate if necessary.
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4.5gr sounds like a reasonable load, relatively powerful. Probably a reasonable pressure not too low.
I run between 4.8-5.0 gr of unique behind a 124gr plated.
 
UPDATE:
Contacted Steve at Vault, he said he will contact Kel Tec and let me know about prices of replacement parts. He will also see if they are interested in seeing the barrel, but thought it would be unlikely.
 
Never mind kel tec, we wanna see. Pics!
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Draezin said:
Ther thought of that happeneing terrifies me about using hand loads!

And you are very lucky the gun didnt decide to blow your face off! Count your blessing, and buy your lottery ticket now!
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Lottery ticket might actually be in order!

Even though most think it was the hand loads, and it very well could be, it just doesnt add up based on how they were reloaded.... unless the scale was off, but then that is out of my hands

I had ear plugs and passive muffs on, maybe that is why it didnt sound weird at the time. Im picking up electronic muffs now.
 
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It is bizzare to plug so many bullets into a barrel and not notice them not exiting the barrel, either by target notification of hits, powder smoke, something....

Have good day
 
Paper targets at 80 yards, could not see. Hell, seeing holes at 25 yards was tough in the light conditions.
 
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It takes a certain amount of balls to admit such a FU on a board like this, I give him benefit of surviving his mistake unscathed and willing to learn and teach others from it.
 
I would expect the squibs caused the bend ... after the first, there would be a LOT of pressure in there as each new one had to force it's way into position ... that force would equal heat, tension and pressure ... I would be surprised if a barrel didn't end up slightly less than straight after firing 4+ rounds into an existing squib - especially in a barrel that is not your average "bull"/heavy barrel on a long range gun.
 
Epic Win! Awesome thread... thanks for the X-Ray pic. Amazing.

I have to admit, I have a bad taste in my mouth from one of these I bought, but almost a year later I kinda want to give it another chance.

I want the Glock22 .40S&W Sub-2000 model though; not the 9mm
 
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