Sub2000 Modifications and ideas..

Tachead said:
1. Cool gun. What is it?
2. Its a Keltec Sub 2000
1. O, ok. How does it shoot?
2. Not so well. I cant seem to get it on target.
1. Why not?
2. Not enough sight adjustment.
1. O, really?
2. Yeah, they put the barrel on crooked from the factory.
1. O, why dont you send it back?
2. Distributor wont warranty guns that wont sight in and they have no repair center in Canada.
1. O, ok?
2. Well how much was it?
1. $700
2. Woo, isnt that a little pricey? It is mainly plastic isnt it? And, I thought I saw it in the US for only $300.
1. Yeah, but I really wanted it cuz it folds.
2. What? It folds?
1. Yeah, sure does.
2. So let me get this straight. These guns frequently have quality control issues like not being able to sight in, the distributer is being a ####, its a pain to get warranty work done anyways because theres no repair center here, and it is overpriced and poorly built?
1. Thats right.
2. But it folds?
1. Yes
2. Ok, Where do I by one?

To each their own I guess f:P:
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Yeah, not to mention that half the photos I see of this gun... people have put large optics on them!!!!

So let me get this straight... you got a rifle that folds, sacrificing all of those other problems... and then you put a large optic on it so it wont fold?

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Tachead said:
O, I know they will charge what people will pay. And, yes a folding rifle is a great idea thats why I wanted one. I also realize that that feature is worth more to some then other but, you are missing what I'm trying to say. I would have payed the $700 for it in a second. But, the rifle is a piece of s**t. I have read countless reports of the front sight failing and coming loose, the barrel being misaligned from the factory causing you not to be able to sight it in, as well as other problems and failures. And, on top of that it is double the price point here in Canada that it was designed for. It makes me mad to know Keltec would pawn such a flawed design on us and makes me wonder about the company and their other products. Both on the market now and not yet released(ie. KSG). Also, why are they letting them sell it to us for so much? The markup on an RFB is nowhere near this. The other thing I cant understand is why so many keep buying this thing even with all the bad reports? Its like a frigging IPHONE 4. lol.

1. Cool gun. What is it?
2. Its a Keltec Sub 2000
1. O, ok. How does it shoot?
2. Not so well. I cant seem to get it on target.
1. Why not?
2. Not enough sight adjustment.
1. O, really?
2. Yeah, they put the barrel on crooked from the factory.
1. O, why dont you send it back?
2. Distributor wont warranty guns that wont sight in and they have no repair center in Canada.
1. O, ok?
2. Well how much was it?
1. $700
2. Woo, isnt that a little pricey? It is mainly plastic isnt it? And, I thought I saw it in the US for only $300.
1. Yeah, but I really wanted it cuz it folds.
2. What? It folds?
1. Yeah, sure does.
2. So let me get this straight. These guns frequently have quality control issues like not being able to sight in, the distributer is being a ####, its a pain to get warranty work done anyways because theres no repair center here, and it is overpriced and poorly built?
1. Thats right.
2. But it folds?
1. Yes
2. Ok, Where do I by one?

To each their own I guess f:P:
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I'm glad I've never had front-sight issues ?...:confused:...:redface:
 
So did the guys with problems, get their rifles fixed in the end? what is the story. I still want one, but one without problems :p

Anything to look for at the store when I am handling one that would be a dead giveaway that something is wrong with it?
 
I am worried now too. I took five shots with the thing, just for a function test.
When I fold the rifle, the retaining pin (?) does not guide itself into the pin channel. I have to apply slight sideways pressure to ensure the pin locks in the folded position.

I wonder if that has anything to do with the canted barrel.:(
But hey, on the plus side, it's non-restricted, folds and takes ten round magazines.:D
 
1895GS said:
I am worried now too. I took five shots with the thing, just for a function test.
When I fold the rifle, the retaining pin (?) does not guide itself into the pin channel. I have to apply slight sideways pressure to ensure the pin locks in the folded position.

I wonder if that has anything to do with the canted barrel.:(
But hey, on the plus side, it's non-restricted, folds and takes ten round magazines.:D
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Nope, don't worry... Everything is fine, it does the same thing on mine and it's working flawlessly.

As stated in your instruction booklet, they say you have to be cautious when folding the rifle, so it fits into the channel of the front sight...
 
deerhunter365 said:
any one know of any dealers doing and aftermarket barrel in 9mm for the sub 2000?? a heavy one would be nice!
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Why would you want a heavy barrel on this rifle? It shoots fairly accurately the way it is and I think the whole point of this rifle is to have something cheap, light, and portable.
Trying to make it into a sniper rifle makes no sense to me at all.
It shoots 9mm pistol cartridges and is never going to be a 200-300 yard sharpshooter. A heavy barrel doesn't automatically make something more accurate, it would have to be a quality built barrel that would cost at least half the amount of what the rifle cost new. Then you would have a $900+ 9mm carbine that is muzzle heavy and could still only shoot 150 yards. A heavy barrel also takes a lot longer to cool off that a thin one. I have put a couple hundred rounds through mine without stopping much longer than the time it takes to grab another mag out of the backpack and pass it off to a buddy for his turn to rapid fire them into an old washing machine or abandoned car in a gravel pit. It was barely hot after a couple minutes of rest and ready to put back into the backpack for the next quadding portion of our day.

It cost $600 new and while some may think that is expensive I consider it a heck of a bargain for something I can fold up and throw in a backpack or the box of my quad and have this much fun with.
People complain about the plastic? Lots of guns these days have a lot of plastic in them, that doesn't make them junk, it just keeps manufacturing costs down. As long as it doesn't break under regular use and keeps cycling I'm happy.

I must be one of the lucky ones because I have only had to make a small adjustment to my sights and they are good now. I have had no issues at all with mine other than a few stovepipes when it was new but that quit happening after a few hundred rounds and It's eaten all the ammo I've fed it so far.

If you want a sniper rifle go buy a sniper rifle. There is no point trying to turn a 9mm carbine into a heavy long range shooter.
Enjoy it the way it is and have fun blasting off hundreds of rounds of cheap 9mm shredding pop cans and whatever else you fel like peppering.

Myself and 3 of my buddies each own one and we are all happy with our Sub's and I take mine everywhere I go.

I may not trust it for use during the Zombie appocalypse but that's only because I have so many other more suitable firearms like AR's and Glock's and my new RFB that I think are better suited for emergency life threatening situations.

So far I have mounted an AR forend rail to mine and then installed an AFG which has made it really sweet and it still folds. Maybe a laser next.
Nothing is going onto mine that stops it from folding or makes it delicate to a point I cant throw it in the backpack or quad box.
 
cr5 said:
Why would you want a heavy barrel on this rifle? It shoots fairly accurately the way it is and I think the whole point of this rifle is to have something cheap, light, and portable.
Trying to make it into a sniper rifle makes no sense to me at all.
It shoots 9mm pistol cartridges and is never going to be a 200-300 yard sharpshooter. A heavy barrel doesn't automatically make something more accurate, it would have to be a quality built barrel that would cost at least half the amount of what the rifle cost new. Then you would have a $900+ 9mm carbine that is muzzle heavy and could still only shoot 150 yards. A heavy barrel also takes a lot longer to cool off that a thin one. I have put a couple hundred rounds through mine without stopping much longer than the time it takes to grab another mag out of the backpack and pass it off to a buddy for his turn to rapid fire them into an old washing machine or abandoned car in a gravel pit. It was barely hot after a couple minutes of rest and ready to put back into the backpack for the next quadding portion of our day.

It cost $600 new and while some may think that is expensive I consider it a heck of a bargain for something I can fold up and throw in a backpack or the box of my quad and have this much fun with.
People complain about the plastic? Lots of guns these days have a lot of plastic in them, that doesn't make them junk, it just keeps manufacturing costs down. As long as it doesn't break under regular use and keeps cycling I'm happy.

I must be one of the lucky ones because I have only had to make a small adjustment to my sights and they are good now. I have had no issues at all with mine other than a few stovepipes when it was new but that quit happening after a few hundred rounds and It's eaten all the ammo I've fed it so far.

If you want a sniper rifle go buy a sniper rifle. There is no point trying to turn a 9mm carbine into a heavy long range shooter.
Enjoy it the way it is and have fun blasting off hundreds of rounds of cheap 9mm shredding pop cans and whatever else you fel like peppering.

Myself and 3 of my buddies each own one and we are all happy with our Sub's and I take mine everywhere I go.

I may not trust it for use during the Zombie appocalypse but that's only because I have so many other more suitable firearms like AR's and Glock's and my new RFB that I think are better suited for emergency life threatening situations.

So far I have mounted an AR forend rail to mine and then installed an AFG which has made it really sweet and it still folds. Maybe a laser next.
Nothing is going onto mine that stops it from folding or makes it delicate to a point I cant throw it in the backpack or quad box.
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The Sub-2000 gives a shooter a non-restricted 9mm option where he/she needs it, when he/she needs it....:yingyang:....of course for me ;) , that's mostly at the range and outdoor shoots....:redface:
 
1895GS said:
I am worried now too. I took five shots with the thing, just for a function test.
When I fold the rifle, the retaining pin (?) does not guide itself into the pin channel. I have to apply slight sideways pressure to ensure the pin locks in the folded position.

I wonder if that has anything to do with the canted barrel.:(
But hey, on the plus side, it's non-restricted, folds and takes ten round magazines.:D
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I just picked mine up and it also has movement when folding. I think this is common on everyone since its a polymer to polymer connection on the folding mechanism

range on sat, hopefully it shots well. oh and the front sight is a pain to adjust.

you think the would mold a few picatinny rails to the forend tho, guess they want you to spend extra on their quad rail
 
I think they all need to be guided in when folding, mine is the same and shoots great.
The front sight isn't really all that hard to adjust and you should only need to do it once so it's not a big deal. Mine was pretty close from the factory, just a small move to the side. Just be careful tightening it up, like the manual says, it's just plastic and can be stripped easily.


Has anyone tried the quadrail with a flip to the side mount and a red dot? Will it still fold with this setup? I would buy the quadrail if it does otherwise I'm sticking with the factory sights.
For me, it has to fold.

I like the looks of it with the quadrail but I don't need all that rail space for what I use it for and I don't want to spend $150 just to make it look better.
 
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cr5 said:
I think they all needed to be guided in when folding, mine is the same and shoots great.
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Yep, same here. It is flexible, it doesn't effect the gun.

cr5 said:
I like the looks of it with the quadrail but I don't need all that rail space for what I use it for and don't want to spend $150 just to make it look better.
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One of the big problems that a lot of people have with the quadrail (me included), is that the screws come loose from the recoil of the gun. I had to re-install it a couple times. I finally got it by washing all the screws/holes in a cleaning solvent and then using gun-tite on every one. It works now, and knowing what I did I could have probably got it working the first time - But still, for 150 dollars I expected they would engineer those problems out.
 
well there was a boo boo at the range and a new barrel is in order. FML. at least now I am 200% confident that a squib followed by another shot will not blow up the barrel......FML again........
 
luke s said:
well there was a boo boo at the range and a new barrel is in order. FML. at least now I am 200% confident that a squib followed by another shot will not blow up the barrel......FML again........
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200%? Does that mean you've done it before?
Handloads?
Can we see a picture?

I had a double charge once, it was pretty exciting. My HK didn't fair so well.
 
pictures/new thread will likely be up at some point, once I feel the need to share my idiocy.

never had a squib before in my 2 shooting years. 200% because well..... im pretty sure there are 20 projectiles stuck in the barrel, and it never blew up...........
 
luke s said:
pictures/new thread will likely be up at some point, once I feel the need to share my idiocy.

never had a squib before in my 2 shooting years. 200% because well..... im pretty sure there are 20 projectiles stuck in the barrel, and it never blew up...........
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You sure you didn't just miss the target completely 20 times in a row?
 
Wow, some of the complaints are rather lame. Who cares if the barrel doesn't guide straight into the lock tab.

If you don't already use a thread locker on all threaded mounts you're foolish.

Its a $600 plastic framed toy, its not a long term high round count rifle.

TDC
 
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