Subcompact Rifle that uses Pistol 10 round 9mm ?
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9mm. G17/34 mags
PSA 9mm AR with the Glock specific lower. Available from IRG in 4", 8", 10.5" and 16" barrels. Depending on the current exchange rate if they have them in the Canadian warehouse you can pick up a complete gun for about $1000-$1100 all in. I've got a 10.5" and love it. Excellent quality (not a single FTF or FTE so far). The Angstadt guns are great but for the money the PSA versions can't be beat.
I also wanted a CZ Scorpion but the 5 round mags put me right off it (and the trigger on the one I tried was absolutely HORRIBLE). At first I actually thought I had left the safety on. Had to be at least 10-12 pounds.
I also wanted a CZ Scorpion but the 5 round mags put me right off it (and the trigger on the one I tried was absolutely HORRIBLE). At first I actually thought I had left the safety on. Had to be at least 10-12 pounds.
Gonna disagree, I've owned two Vectors (non restricted 45 auto) and they were not picky with ammo, were accurate, reliable, and it's actually a very simple design with big parts that are unlikely to break. I've shot one in 9mm and it was reliable and accurate as well.
I do however prefer my 9mm AR but it's a little harder to find Colt pattern pistol mags (I only have five of them)
Gonna have to strongly disagree as well. Not sure what you are comparing them to, but my folding stock Vector is smaller than almost any other PCC that I own when folded up. That includes the SIG MPX, CZ Scorpion, HK MP5, Uzi, C1 SMG, RRA 9mm AR, and BRS 99. In fact, the only PCC with a smaller footprint is my B&T TP9 PDW.
As far as weight is concerned, it is no heavier than most and again is only noticeably heavier than the TP9. Ammo sensitive? Not in my experience owning both a Gen 1 .45 ACP and a Gen 2 9mm. Although I have yet to try hollowpoint defensive ammo, both of my Kriss Vectors were totally reliable with any brand of decent ball/FMJ plinking ammo. And let's face it - PCCs are ideally suited to "plinking" - especially with 5 or 10 round magazines...
Overly complicated? Again, compared to what? It is actually a far more simple design and execution than the MP5, MPX and/or TP9. Being a simple blow-back design with large, heavy moving parts, the Vector is really no more complicated than the UZI, C1 SMG, CZ Scorpion, STEN or any other Gen 2 SMG/carbine. The only unique aspect to the Vector is how the Bolt-Weight is redirected downwards behind the magazine instead of rearwards like a conventional blow-back firearm. The so-called "Super V" action is nothing more than blow-back redirected downwards as a means of recoil and muzzle-rise mitigation. It is by no means complicated! Even the Trigger Mechanism is piss-simple in comparison to many.
Which leaves us with your contention that "it's just not good". Well, like all of your thoroughly debunked qualifying criteria, I must heartily disagree with your low opinion of the Kriss Vector. It is in actuality, a very good "niche" firearm which performs largely as advertised within its intended parameters. Accurate, reliable, compact and sufficiently lightweight with decent ergos, the Vector sells like hotcakes for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is its 10-rd capacity. There is actually a lot to like about the Kriss once you get past its ungainly appearance. I suggest trying before buying, but do yourself a favour and don't discount the Kriss Vector for your PCC choice. As a proven system on its second generation of development, the Vector is just now reaching its full potential.
So there is that....
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Love my Vector!!! Won't give it up
But a Lockhart Tactical 10mmAuto will also be purchased eventually
Gonna have to strongly disagree as well. Not sure what you are comparing them to, but my folding stock Vector is smaller than almost any other PCC that I own when folded up. That includes the SIG MPX, CZ Scorpion, HK MP5, Uzi, C1 SMG, RRA 9mm AR, and BRS 99. In fact, the only PCC with a smaller footprint is my B&T TP9 PDW.
As far as weight is concerned, it is no heavier than most and again is only noticeably heavier than the TP9. Ammo sensitive? Not in my experience owning both a Gen 1 .45 ACP and a Gen 2 9mm. Although I have yet to try hollowpoint defensive ammo, both of my Kriss Vectors were totally reliable with any brand of decent ball/FMJ plinking ammo. And let's face it - PCCs are ideally suited to "plinking" - especially with 5 or 10 round magazines...
Overly complicated? Again, compared to what? It is actually a far more simple design and execution than the MP5, MPX and/or TP9. Being a simple blow-back design with large, heavy moving parts, the Vector is really no more complicated than the UZI, C1 SMG, CZ Scorpion, STEN or any other Gen 2 SMG/carbine. The only unique aspect to the Vector is how the Bolt-Weight is redirected downwards behind the magazine instead of rearwards like a conventional blow-back firearm. The so-called "Super V" action is nothing more than blow-back redirected downwards as a means of recoil and muzzle-rise mitigation. It is by no means complicated! Even the Trigger Mechanism is piss-simple in comparison to many.
Which leaves us with your contention that "it's just not good". Well, like all of your thoroughly debunked qualifying criteria, I must heartily disagree with your low opinion of the Kriss Vector. It is in actuality, a very good "niche" firearm which performs largely as advertised within its intended parameters. Accurate, reliable, compact and sufficiently lightweight with decent ergos, the Vector sells like hotcakes for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is its 10-rd capacity. There is actually a lot to like about the Kriss once you get past its ungainly appearance. I suggest trying before buying, but do yourself a favour and don't discount the Kriss Vector for your PCC choice. As a proven system on its second generation of development, the Vector is just now reaching its full potential.
So there is that....
They advertise that it won't feed Flat point or Hollow point ammo. I've tried both. They don't work. How can that be possible in a gun like this?
Break something on it and try to fix it yourself, or even find the parts for it... Good luck.
I ran 1000 Berry's 200gr hollowpoint handloads through my Vectors without any issues, they both gobbled them up and I was able to ring the gong at 200 yards fairly regularly with open sights once I figured out the holdover.
Did you break your's? All the parts are so big and heavy in there I really can't imagine anything breaking.
Parts support can be a problem for any firearm manufactured outside of Canada, Everyone carries AR parts but try to find parts for an HK here, you can get them if you're willing to wait and that applies to a lot of different firearms here.
Hmmm, I've seen them on the EE for $1300 and they retail for around $1800, even though I've never held an FX-9 (I will be buying one though) I can guarantee the Vector is a much higher quality firearm. Vector is built for military/law enforcement (intended market, maybe not where it ended up though), FX-9 is a toy that cost $700-$800 US.
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