sucks 9mm isn't a big game caliber...

Bullet placement is everything. They use .177 air rifles to take feral pigs. Deer, 9MM, tucked in behind the blade, in to the ribs, at less than 50 meters? I would...if I felt good about the shot. Many country folk around these parts have raised their family on .22 single shot, Cooey, deer meat. All you Greta's out there might not like it, but, it's true.
 
a friend's grandfather took a NB deer every year, well into his 80's. He used a bring back artillery Luger, with stock. Stopped when he couldn't stalk close enough for the shot.
 
Ive put 2 115gr hp thru a bear carcass with the chest cavity filled with the fat and wrapped in the hide. 35 yards both bullets took out ribs on both sides and buried 2" into the sand bank behind. Perfect expansion. Id usr it for deer no prob
 
I was hoping for info like this. I recall debates in the past. in my case it would be the small coastal black tail around Prince Rupert and on the Haida Gwaii islands...which I think the 9mm is quite suitable for, or even one of the more expensive / lightweight .223 carbine's would be good for.

anyone drop black bear with a .223? :yingyang:
 
I was hoping for info like this. I recall debates in the past. in my case it would be the small coastal black tail around Prince Rupert and on the Haida Gwaii islands...which I think the 9mm is quite suitable for, or even one of the more expensive / lightweight .223 carbine's would be good for.

anyone drop black bear with a .223? :yingyang:

I haven't but I know of a couple people that have. Also have a friend that killed a nuisance black bear at his cabin that was trying to get inside. All he had was a .22 magnum so that's what he used. One shot took care of it. I never thought to ask where he hit it though.
 
Bullet placement is everything. They use .177 air rifles to take feral pigs. Deer, 9MM, tucked in behind the blade, in to the ribs, at less than 50 meters? I would...if I felt good about the shot. Many country folk around these parts have raised their family on .22 single shot, Cooey, deer meat. All you Greta's out there might not like it, but, it's true.

At 50 meter one can see the bullet actually flying through the air with a low powered optic.
There are better mouse traps out there, thats why they sell 30-30 and so on.
There was a CO in the Kootneys last year in early November or was it late October who shot a problem Grizzly with his service pistol (40.cal) but, again it was likely a mag dump while having an OH-Schitz moment.
Rob
 
If someone was defending themselves or starving i dont have a.problem.

Going out and intentionally doing this, when you own other firearms, to make some sort of point? Separate those two issues, give your head a shake while looking in the mirror.

This from someone who lives were there are no predators and herds of tiny deer. If anywhere in this country could use 9mm for hunting its here. Never going to happen.
 
I was hoping for info like this. I recall debates in the past. in my case it would be the small coastal black tail around Prince Rupert and on the Haida Gwaii islands...which I think the 9mm is quite suitable for, or even one of the more expensive / lightweight .223 carbine's would be good for.

anyone drop black bear with a .223? :yingyang:

I've killed bear (and deer) with a .223, always with a Barnes bullet. A .223 with good bullets is a reliable killer of deer if you don't stretch the range too far, and coastal opportunities can often be a pretty short range proposition. I would choose a .223 carbine over a 9mm, but that's because I don't have any experience with shooting deer with a 9mm carbine. The .223 has smaller bullet going twice the velocity of the 9mm, giving it a generous advantage in killing power.

But there is no doubt that many of the PCC offerings are very light, compact and nice to carry, especially in the bush. I suspect that success with a 9mm will greatly depend on what type of bullet is used, and where it is placed. Fortunately, 9mm ammunition is dirt cheap and has very little recoil, so lots of practice is easy and cheap. Choosing a bullet will require researching what others have successfully (and unsuccessfully) used. With stuff like this it's best to listen to people that have actual experience, rather than those that just sprack off with their opinion.

That bear hunting video above was really interesting. He said it was an 80 gr bullet (9mm bullets are typically 115.124 and 147 gr) so looking into the ammunition he is selling would be interesting. The bear didn't run far, so he is doing something right!
 
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