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indeed. I recall a thread on here just after I joined up in 2008...someone was shooting .22LR @ 400 yards which were still going through n through a turkey wrapped in a canvas coat / tarp.
sucks 9mm isn't a big game caliber...
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indeed. I recall a thread on here just after I joined up in 2008...someone was shooting .22LR @ 400 yards which were still going through n through a turkey wrapped in a canvas coat / tarp.
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- British Canuckistan
also...no comments on other pistil caliber's that you do use for hunting?
Here is a link to Phil Shoemakers story of killing the charging grizzly with his compact 9mm. Shows what a good load in a 9mm can do in a defensive situation. Of course, being Phil Shoemaker also helps out...
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=388
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=388
I have a 44 Mag single-shot rifle that I will take out white-tail hunting, hopefully next season. The 44 magnum can send a big bullet out fast giving you lots of impact energy so I think a deer within 100 yards is fair game. I will be using in the thicker bush and timber so honestly the shot distance will likely be half of that. I'm really looking forward to harvesting a deer with the rifle.
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- Southern Vancouver Island
The .44 magnum has taken the largest game worldwide from handguns on a regular basis over the years using hardcast boolits of 300+ gr at speeds not much more than 1500 fps. Ye have no worries on any critters we have here that are taken unaware by a well placed shot inside 100 yds. Hunt right & shoot 'em in tight.
bearkilr
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
Here is a link to Phil Shoemakers story of killing the charging grizzly with his compact 9mm. Shows what a good load in a 9mm can do in a defensive situation. Of course, being Phil Shoemaker also helps out...
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=388
Shoemaker. I've always wondered about that story. Most veteran Alaska guides don't carry a 9mm lady's pocket pistol for grizzly defence, unless of course they want to become an internet sensation.
bearkilr
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That's a grizzly,not black bear. The worlds record black bear was a skull picked up in Utah, death unknown.
Isn't the present record that black bear that was killed by a tractor-trailer near Cochrane, ON several years ago?
BigUglyMan
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- New Scotland
Here is a link to Phil Shoemakers story of killing the charging grizzly with his compact 9mm. Shows what a good load in a 9mm can do in a defensive situation. Of course, being Phil Shoemaker also helps out...
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=388
Being Phil Shoemaker always helps out.
nomad 68
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I thought it was in Manitoba and a weight pushing 700 lb?
Could be. It was quite a while back, and I don't remember the details. How accurate those figures are is your guess as well as mine, but I do recall it was huge. I googled, and was only able to find this on a guiding site:
Special Note: In 2005, a 1000-pound Black Bear was hit by a transport truck and killed just a few miles from our camp. In 2007 an 850-pound Black Bear was found dead at the Chapleau dump. We do not want you to get your hopes up but record-breaking bears are walking around in our region.
Now
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- Western Manitoba
Go back up to post #49 - there is a "broken" link to the article that he wrote about why/how he ended up in that situation.
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- British Canuckistan
so nobody hunts with .357 WM or .45 LC?
I would not hesitate to use a 45 LC - it has almost exactly 50% the surface area of a 9 mil, with a bullet that weighs almost twice as much. Also, in a modern gun, you can get almost the same ballistics as a 44. In an original gun, you can push a pure lead boolit, which is guaranteed to expand and hold together. A 9 mil will kill just about anything that walks in North America (eventually), but it's definitely not a top choice - too much chance of wounding an animal or causing unnecessary suffering, IMHO. But that's a highly personal decision. If you are an experienced shooter, know you gun inside out, and the distance, and are 99.9% confident of placing your shot in the brain or heart, I can't see why not. Not sure a lung or liver shot would be humane, though.
With modern reloads, not sure about classic 45 Colt loads, the chart I have has penetration in 7/8th pine boards, which obviously are not the same as an animal, but it lists the:
9mm Luger 345 ft lbs 10 boards
357 Magnum 717 ft lbs 12 boards
45 Colt 405 ft lbs 6 boards.
9mm Luger 345 ft lbs 10 boards
357 Magnum 717 ft lbs 12 boards
45 Colt 405 ft lbs 6 boards.
Which is my primary concern regarding use of less obviously powerful cartridges for hunting. From my perspective, either I'm able to take that virtually guaranteed rear half of the brain shot and have it penetrate sufficiently (pass through completely - from as much as a 30 degree angle should the deer happen to turn its head during the shot travel time of roughly 0.2 to 0.3 seconds at suitable ranges), or I wouldn't take the shot. Without the relatively massive disruptive effects on soft tissue with bullets travelling at 2,000fps and above, it seems to me a lung shot is asking for a long blood trail and a lot of suffering in the animal. And the heart itself, while approximately similar scale with the brain, is a much more difficult target given the guesswork involved in precisely placing it in the chest. Even among deer of the same type and age there is going to be some variation in exact heart location. Compounded by small changes in angle of presentation, shooter experience, holdover if something over 60 yards distant... If my eventually field testing proves less than 100% satisfactory I'll just change gears and would have to look at a supersonic cartridge in a heavier rifle. Reluctantly, but necessarily if the mock-up results just aren't convincing.
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- British Canuckistan
true...but I am the OP, so I can segway the discussion.
I know .44RM is a more capable round out to 100 yards than the .357M...buy capable I mean I'd rather have a .44RM than .357M if I came face to face with a hostile bear while out deer hunting.
so aside from the long gone Ruger .44RM carbine...what other semi-auto's are out there?
I had a 16" Rossi '92 in .44RM back in 2008. I think I'd want to pay a bit more for something a wee more premium (it felt so flimsy!) to maximize it's 100 yard performance.
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