Suddenly, all these 'deals' on possibly blemished IURs....
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If we are strictly talking about stripped aluminum upper or lower, there are only 3 variables,a) is it in or out of spec? b) 7075-T6 or 6061-T6 Aluminum, c): billet or forged.
there are plenty lowers that are in spec using 7075-T6, either billet or forged that are equal to CC lower...for less money ie, LMT milspec lower
I can built a complete lower with Geissele SD-Combat trigger (better than CC factory trigger) + LMT milspec lower, LMT small parts + LMT tube&buffer&spring, finished with socom sopmod stock for less than $899
or I could buy a factory ambi KAC complete lower with sweet KAC 2 stage trigger used in their m110 DMR rifle for less than $899.
in the case of CC lower what you really are paying for is the logo and the green colored furniture.
case in point, see how Noveske lower is, or used to be made by the same factory as Spike's Tactical?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/3...e__MMS__CMT__LAR__LMT_compared___.html&page=1
"LMT = LMT, Lauer(old), DS Arms, PWA, Eagle, Knights Armament, Barrett, Bushmaster (?)
CMT = Stag, RRA, High Standard, Noveske (old), Century (current), Global Tactical, CLE, S&W, MGI (1st batch), Wilson Tactical, (some?) Colt, Ratworx
LAR = Grizzly, Bushmaster (L Prefix), Ameetech, (?)DPMS, CMMG, Double Star, Fulton, Spike's Tactical, Noveske (new)
MMS = Mega, Gunsmoke, Dalphon, POF (forged), Alexander Arms, Stinger, Spike's Tactical(old)"
so in a general sense, a stripped lower is a stripped lower.
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Read the bold in your last post then back up and read the sentence before that.. By your own admission you are in fact a fool.
Colt MARKETED the guns/uppers as one time affairs. Only a fool would believe that, as it is in fact called MARKETING. CC is a business with the sole intention of making MONEY or PROFIT. Liberating people of their money is what MARKETING does. Sadly the fanboys for CC did all the work for them. The original price of what $2400 for a 20" bone stock CC rifle is absolutely f**king retarded, and yet quite a few paid that. Being that yourself and most everyone else on this forum is of age(have to be to have a PAL) I thought it would be safe to presume that over hyping a product to generate sales would be old hat and something you could pick up on without a written invitation. Then I see the whining over the cost of CC rifles/uppers constantly dropping and it reaffirms that many are still convinced a company is interested in offering the best deal and actually gives a sh*t about the customer after they've taken their money.
They over charge because they know the fanboys will pay for that stupid roll mark.
And here is a guy who's figured out how to build a quality rifle for less money than the "magical" CC rifles. Well done sir.
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Reliable Gun will be bringing in a few, two of them are already spoken for
Reliable Gun will be bringing in a few, two of them are already spoken for
you know for the amount of money i spend at reliable, i should automatically be on their new item spoken for list.
you gonna go to their xmas sale? i need a sw mp9 range kit, i already picked up an apex trigger for it 2 months ago but waiting on their sale to pick up the handgun.
Again you misunderstood me. Buying an HK416 upper or semi full gun is a collectors items, meant for the wall and not for shooting generally speaking unless spending money is of no concern. HK416 will not be legally marketed and sold by HK due to German laws and export issues already previously mentioned on numerous threads. As for Colt Canada they are aloud to and have always been aloud to sell to the civilian market and only until recently did they open up that avenue.
As for HK if you want a gun to run and shoot and have all the parts access you need it is very simple, it is called the MR223 line that is available and easy to get parts for as well, in fact you can scoop short 416 barrels from HK that are floating around down south(USA) or import an MR556 with barrel cut down no problem. The negative being the cost that is mostly due to currency exchange, and other factors just like the Swiss Arms has to go through that few seem to complain about, and Hk still has more hoops to through after that. In Canada we can get a 14.5 or 16.5 barrel version as of right now and as mentioned 10.4 barrels routinely are sold on Gunbroker down south that are easy to import.
Right now CC makes the most sense for affordable compared to HK but there is no way I'm going to spend that kind of money that they are asking for a product made in Kitchener Ontario Canada when there are better more affordable options going around. Not to mention in my opinion Hk416 MR line is 4 times the rifle Colt makes and I know that burns you but anyone in the industry knows this to be true in the durability department especially.
Example a CC lower going for $850 well you can get a KAC Lower for close to the same with KAC 2 stage trigger, and a True fully ambi lower and a SOPMOD stock. Or just build one and get a better deal with say Noveske, LMT etc.
When Colt Canada starts releasing their shorty's for around $1000 complete upper and there lowers for $550 all scoop one but I'm not paying anymore than that for a standard lower.
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To me collecting guns as an investment makes as much sense as collecting lawn mowers and blenders. If I want to invest I buy Microsoft, I buy guns because I like shooting them.
As for 4x durability? Do you know anyone involved with the USMC IAR program? Ask them what the change interval is for triggers and bolts............. 4x durability over CC is a pretty wild claim.
As for 4x durability? Do you know anyone involved with the USMC IAR program? Ask them what the change interval is for triggers and bolts............. 4x durability over CC is a pretty wild claim.
And those ppl would be exactly on the mark. The "demand" for lack of better words imposed on a lower receiver is pretty darn minimal. Now if it is out of specs w/ holes not lining up and a mag well that is so tight mags won't drop out, that's one thing, but other then that, if it's in specs, then an $80 lower will work all day every day.
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In many ways I agree with you on the collecting of firearms, but many people do this all the time, we both know things can change in the in firearm laws and say a large shipment of Semi 416's could one day become available and the market price drops like a rock. But I believe in Capitalism to an extent and business is business. You only live once argument also comes to mind too.
I have had reports and correspondence with USMC's pers on the HK but I don't know them personally. So it would be biased if I went by that.
r34skyline
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Lol all this #####ing. Look when they came out and you payed for it, obviously you thought it was worth it. So what is the big fuss now? CC isn't going anywhere if they are gonna sell to us, they probably will continue to do so for the forseeable future. And really? Collecting Ars? Do you also collect sks, nagants and bmw 3 series? ARs are everywhere. Not exactly collectible items.
As far as the resale value goes, generally banking on something appreciating in value when it's still in production is generally an unwise decision.
Look at it this way. Colt has put huge money marketing and investing in the IUR program. It's pretty much a given that the CF will eventually trade up to the IUR, the RCMP just ordered a bunch, and I bet a few local pd are going to get them. What does that tell you? IURs are only going to become more and more plentiful. You paid the extra dough to be an early adopter. Early adopters always pay more. If you can't live with that, don't buy something that just came out.
Some people pay the absurd money, personally if I had one I would run the tits off the thing. There are plenty of them, and there will always be a steady trickle of them coming in.
As far as the resale value goes, generally banking on something appreciating in value when it's still in production is generally an unwise decision.
Look at it this way. Colt has put huge money marketing and investing in the IUR program. It's pretty much a given that the CF will eventually trade up to the IUR, the RCMP just ordered a bunch, and I bet a few local pd are going to get them. What does that tell you? IURs are only going to become more and more plentiful. You paid the extra dough to be an early adopter. Early adopters always pay more. If you can't live with that, don't buy something that just came out.
Some people pay the absurd money, personally if I had one I would run the tits off the thing. There are plenty of them, and there will always be a steady trickle of them coming in.
I agree with all you say, and true, early adopters, of anything, generally, will pay more, and I accept that. What I don't accept is the way it was marketed to us. We were told it was rare, etc, etc. Well, that turns out to be a lie, and I don't like getting lied to. So, anything coming from CC, at least for me, will be looked at with a grain of salt, and with some scepticism. Also, I shoot my IUR all I can, it is not collectable, and I didn't buy it to "collect" it. I bought it to shoot it.
Thats it, thats all.
r34skyline
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Is it a low move for cc to play up the limited time marketing stuff? Yup. But that being said, nobody should really buy that bs. I mean cmon, colt dumps millions into a iur platform. It's their future. That's what they will market to everyone. And that will be limited? No. Not a chance.
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Is it really Colt playing the limited card or the distributor ?
CC's initial announcement state that their civilian rifles were Limited Edition, its still on their website. but everyone makes a valid point. people will pay what they want to get what they want.
Some people have been waiting patiently for a diemaco product they could buy and keep at home, so when they came out they bought it at the higher price.. and now theyve dropped in price,
every corner of the market does that.. remember when plasma Tv's were $2000+. I waited and passed on the initial run of CC koolaid then i bought one IUR upper at 899, i liked it so i got a second when the price dropped to 749. and then recently i caved and bought the 15.7 and sa20 rifle off the EE for a deal that i thought was decent compared to the current market prices. So for that im happy. some of the prices were/are a little ridiculous but branding is part of marketing. I dont know of anyone that isnt happy with their CC purchase. But yes the whole "limited supply" tactic is a little frustrating but everything will balance out. I remember having a conversation with another member about a colt upper. he paid X number of dollars for the complete upper say 5 years ago when availability was limited and the dollar was a little better. i bought the same complete rifle for about 40% less. but now with the dollar tanking again the price is back to where it was 5 years ago. its all about timing.
Pretty much the same thing with the savage 10-tr, supposed to be just the Mil/LE folks get the deal to introduce this blah blah hoping to make it popular enough to get contracts from the services or LE blah blah, then it came open to public for about a $100 more. marketing, that's it, only thing different was they started cheaper, lots of examples of that, as some have said if you want the new and improved right away, you must pay! Same with new cell phones etc. Adopt, adapt and improve! Buy 3 of the f@(kers and average your price down.
