Suddenly, all these 'deals' on possibly blemished IURs....

r34skyline;11945185} Some people pay the absurd money said:
You would run a $10,000 piston AR hk416 (COLLECTORS)gun into the ground. By doing this you would depreciate that guns value like crazy. Why not buy 5 CC OR LMT's?

Remember le/Mil don't pay crazy prices for genuine HK416.
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Stoner99 said:
You would run a $10000 piston AR hk416 gun into the ground.
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With the other $10-15k of ammo, coupled with the time to run that much amm through one as needed to run one to the ground if not more? Why not? The Hk416 itself is hard to get. Couple that with its tier 1 allure, I can see why it would be a collector piece. Only one problem. I'm not a collector.
 
Repro77 said:
.....What I don't accept is the way it was marketed to us. We were told it was rare, etc, etc. Well, that turns out to be a lie, and I don't like getting lied to. So, anything coming from CC, at least for me, will be looked at with a grain of salt, and with some scepticism. Also, I shoot my IUR all I can, it is not collectable, and I didn't buy it to "collect" it. I bought it to shoot it.

Thats it, thats all.
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I agree with you on this.
 
Stoner99 said:
You would run a $10,000 piston AR hk416 (COLLECTORS)gun into the ground. By doing this you would depreciate that guns value like crazy. Why not buy 5 CC OR LMT's?

Remember le/Mil don't pay crazy prices for genuine HK416.
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I would do it, run a $10,000 H&K hard and long even knowing it would depreciate it as you say, why? Because like anything I own/operate I use it because I want to. The item(s) I buy are bought as a tool(s) for the purpose of being used as one, not as a piece of art to collect,

I think there's nothing worse then someone owning a high performance piece of equipment and not at least trying to use it to it's potential. Same way I would drive the piss out of a Ferrari, because it's fun and designed to operate at a high performance level much like a H&K.

Putting a functional H&K behind glass as an art piece is the same as someone counting the clicks on their Ferrari worrying about depreciation or maintenance costs. How could anything be truly enjoyed if your constantly worrying about something as awful as depreciation.

Now saying that I wouldn't buy a product unless I could afford to maintain the equipment correctly.

Bringing depreciation into the conversation really just means the person can't afford to be playing at that level.


Cheers D
 
Zeroed-In said:
I would do it, run a $10,000 H&K hard and long even knowing it would depreciate it as you say, why? Because like anything I own/operate I use it because I want to. The item(s) I buy are bought as a tool(s) for the purpose of being used as one, not as a piece of art to collect,

I think there's nothing worse then someone owning a high performance piece of equipment and not at least trying to use it to it's potential. Same way I would drive the piss out of a Ferrari, because it's fun and designed to operate at a high performance level much like a H&K.

Putting a functional H&K behind glass as an art piece is the same as someone counting the clicks on their Ferrari worrying about depreciation or maintenance costs. How could anything be truly enjoyed if your constantly worrying about something as awful as depreciation.

Now saying that I wouldn't buy a product unless I could afford to maintain the equipment correctly.

Bringing depreciation into the conversation really just means the person can't afford to be playing at that level.


Cheers D
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Exactly.

I will quote what a ferrari owner told me. And it can be translated to the hk416 in our case. Not putting miles on your ferrari because you are worried about resale value is like not sleeping with your hot supermodel girlfriend so her next boyfriend can enjoy her more.

My point stoner 99 is that I don't think about selling my guns, I have set roles for them, and I buy them to fill in said roles. If I decide a hk416 10.5 will fill the ticket of a cqb gun the best, then I will get it precisely for that. Its resale value doesn't mean anything to me.
 
Zeroed-In said:
I would do it, run a $10,000 H&K hard and long even knowing it would depreciate it as you say, why? Because like anything I own/operate I use it because I want to. The item(s) I buy are bought as a tool(s) for the purpose of being used as one, not as a piece of art to collect,

I think there's nothing worse then someone owning a high performance piece of equipment and not at least trying to use it to it's potential. Same way I would drive the piss out of a Ferrari, because it's fun and designed to operate at a high performance level much like a H&K.

Putting a functional H&K behind glass as an art piece is the same as someone counting the clicks on their Ferrari worrying about depreciation or maintenance costs. How could anything be truly enjoyed if your constantly worrying about something as awful as depreciation.

Now saying that I wouldn't buy a product unless I could afford to maintain the equipment correctly.

Bringing depreciation into the conversation really just means the person can't afford to be playing at that level.


Cheers D
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I think you are missing the point although close...

No if you want to drive a Ferrari of say HK416 by comparison then buy the HK MR223! Why pay 10,000 for a gun that is rare and is the same as an MR223(So called civilian version) in functionality and performance remember there both semi's. You can buy 2 MR's for that and have money left over say about 2grand for optic and mags. Most importantly an HK416 semi auto or with FA is not a 10,000 gun, the price they are sold for on the civilian market does not reflect it's true value but only reflects government restrictions and demand which is the rarity factor that makes it a collectors gun by definition. Really the only thing you can not buy on that gun regularly is the stripped 416 lower, all other parts float around the market for sale and upper are sold of through the leo market down south.

Basically what you are saying is that you would shoot say the first Uzi or AK made into the ground, by all means go ahead but I would just buy a regular production version myself.

Again for 10,000 you can buy 5 CC rifles for that price.
 
r34skyline said:
Exactly.

I will quote what a ferrari owner told me. And it can be translated to the hk416 in our case. Not putting miles on your ferrari because you are worried about resale value is like not sleeping with your hot supermodel girlfriend so her next boyfriend can enjoy her more.

My point stoner 99 is that I don't think about selling my guns, I have set roles for them, and I buy them to fill in said roles. If I decide a hk416 10.5 will fill the ticket of a cqb gun the best, then I will get it precisely for that. Its resale value doesn't mean anything to me.
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No one is telling you to buy one for that reason, I personally wouldn't when you can buy cost effective uppers like DD, LMT, CC(When 11.5 come available) or some other brand. The reason I bring up the SA HK416 uppers and complete guns floating around is because many people are buying the CC rifles for a similar reason and paying a premium for a gun that will be regularly available where as a complete 416 with lower is extremely rare and is essentially a wall hangar collector gun. Also a CC rifle you could call it a Ferrari as well.

Man you guys miss the point completely.
 
Stoner99 said:
No one is telling you to buy one for that reason, I personally wouldn't when you can buy cost effective uppers like DD, LMT, CC(When 11.5 come available) or some other brand. The reason I bring up the SA HK416 uppers and complete guns floating around is because many people are buying the CC rifles for a similar reason and paying a premium for a gun that will be regularly available where as a complete 416 with lower is extremely rare and is essentially a wall hangar collector gun. Also a CC rifle you could call it a Ferrari as well.

Man you guys miss the point completely.
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You are suggesting some ferraris are easy to get. Look around for 288 gtos and how many nice ones are out for sale and let me know, how easy it is to get. I get it. It's extremely rare in civilian world and hard to get and commands a massive premium as a result. Doesn't mean squat to me. If I bother buying one, I will run it to the ground.
 
mikethebike said:
you know for the amount of money i spend at reliable, i should automatically be on their new item spoken for list.

you gonna go to their xmas sale? i need a sw mp9 range kit, i already picked up an apex trigger for it 2 months ago but waiting on their sale to pick up the handgun.
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Wow, had to sift through a lot of stuff just to find your reply, lol!

You gonna grab one from Reliable as well? I bought a used LE6920 upper (no bolt) for $100 more, I'd be stupid not to buy another IUR, just to cost average the first one I bought for a lot more, lol!


Haha, I miss their xmas sale every year because of a work function.......really sucks.
 
r34skyline said:
You are suggesting some ferraris are easy to get. Look around for 288 gtos and how many nice ones are out for sale and let me know, how easy it is to get. I get it. It's extremely rare in civilian world and hard to get and commands a massive premium as a result. Doesn't mean squat to me. If I bother buying one, I will run it to the ground.
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I don't why you are arguing about it then anyway...lol.

It doesn't matter what is important to you or me but it does to the generally civilian buying public it will, hence why "collectors" would want a 416. This would apply as well to the US market wanting a CC rifle but cannot due to import restrictions.

Anyways Chrome lined MR223 and MR308 are now being produced so its one more step closer a generic 416 not that it really matter on an hk barrel in the first place but that will silence a few more critics.
 
I just acquired the parts to put a "blemished" $1300 IUR together for a buddy (Everything CC but the DD BCG). Pretty good deal, considering he could have 2 of them, a can of ammo, pile of mags and an Aimpoint for the cost of the bare rifle he carries at work.
 
Gunnerlove said:
I just acquired the parts to put a "blemished" $1300 IUR together for a buddy (Everything CC but the DD BCG). Pretty good deal, considering he could have 2 of them, a can of ammo, pile of mags and an Aimpoint for the cost of the bare rifle he carries at work.
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Can you list the parts, price and where you got them, for us guys who are thinking of this as a first ar, sounds good and your friend is lucky!
Thanks Bob
 
$550 for the lower a few months ago, $550 for the upper last week and $200 for the BCG. He wanted a 20" but I talked him out of 4.3".

I might have got a few mil friendly discounts but it basically covered shipping and taxes.
 
r34skyline said:
You are suggesting some ferraris are easy to get. Look around for 288 gtos and how many nice ones are out for sale and let me know, how easy it is to get. I get it. It's extremely rare in civilian world and hard to get and commands a massive premium as a result. Doesn't mean squat to me. If I bother buying one, I will run it to the ground.
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The 288 GTO is my all time favourite Ferrari and while I wouldn't park it next to the shopping cart return area at the mall, I sure would drive the hell out of it on the track (or quite back country road), to hell with depreciation.

There are however many cars that are faster or better handling for significantly less money, even a copy could be made (and often are out of 308/328's) for much less, but it just wouldn't be the same.

I do understand your point(s) Stoner99, but just understand that people of my mindset are only interested in the use and usually hard use of a product (reliability is important in this regard) whether it be a rifle or car the collector status means little as these products are made as tools first not art (perhaps one of each model should be kept for the record the rest ran hard and put away wet:cool:).

I'm not against someone else collecting if it makes them happy, but like any Ferrari in a collection (even very rare ones), Enzo (like me) would not be happy if the engine wasn't getting taken to the redline on a regular basis.

"That's all I got to say about that".;)

Cheers D
 
Gunnerlove said:
$550 for the lower a few months ago, $550 for the upper last week and $200 for the BCG. He wanted a 20" but I talked him out of 4.3".

I might have got a few mil friendly discounts but it basically covered shipping and taxes.
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$550 for a complete CC lower? Damn.....I paid $450 for a stripped one.....
 
Gunnerlove said:
$550 for the lower a few months ago, $550 for the upper last week and $200 for the BCG. He wanted a 20" but I talked him out of 4.3".

I might have got a few mil friendly discounts but it basically covered shipping and taxes.
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Where did you get the lower and bcg , some sponsor needs to offer up a package deal such as you have put together value added and the sponsor would get a ton Of extra business,, !
 
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