Suggestions for my first lever action rifle?

Yes, looking at Uberti especially the 1873. I love the throwbacks, just bought a Pietta Traditions 357 wheel gun.

Great input by all - really appreciated. Have decided against getting a Henry. So many choices so little time (and bucks!)

You said before that you are looking for something in the 45 70 range I believe. If you want something classic and beautiful but costly I would grab a reproduction 1876 model winchester. They come in .45-60, .45-75, and .50-95. You will have to reload for these cartridges but they are classic buffalo cartridges.
Here is a link to an antique 1876 Winchester being sold in America and it is absolutely magnificent.

https://www.collectorsfirearms.com/winchester-model-1876-45-60-w9273/
 
Thanks to this thread things are coming into focus for me. Although I've owned dozens of handguns over the years I've never owned a long gun. My big mistake, methinks, was recently buying my first rifle - the 783 Rem. Now I want more. I'm a range rat and don't hunt, and based on your feedback so far and my research, my 1st purchase may be a 30-30 Win 94 (Miroku), then at some point a Henry Golden Boy, and finally a Uberti. I've got the big bore covered with my 783 and the Henry will cover off the 22. I can't get into EE yet and I've always liked fresh outta the box so I'll probably buy new. To quote a movie "I think I'll be needing a bigger boat."

Once again, this rifle newbie very much appreciates the input and suggestions

nibe

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Thanks to this thread things are coming into focus for me. Although I've owned dozens of handguns over the years I've never owned a long gun. My big mistake, methinks, was recently buying my first rifle - the 783 Rem. Now I want more. I'm a range rat and don't hunt, and based on your feedback so far and my research, my 1st purchase may be a 30-30 Win 94 (Miroku), then at some point a Henry Golden Boy, and finally a Uberti. I've got the big bore covered with my 783 and the Henry will cover off the 22. I can't get into EE yet and I've always liked fresh outta the box so I'll probably buy new. To quote a movie "I think I'll be needing a bigger boat."

Once again, this rifle newbie very much appreciates the input and suggestions

nibe

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If I were you I would not buy a Miroku modern Winchester 94 and its not because of where they are manufactured. They are very well made firearms. however they are quite expensive around $1500!! They also have a cross bolt safety that the originals from 1894-1980s did not have. Your safety on a lever action rifle should be a half #### position not a cross bolt in my opinion it makes the rifle look ugly. Plus you can buy a forged receiver pre 1964 Winchester 94 for less than $1500 that will be in very nice condition for around $1000. You will save money, have a collectible that will gain value over time (the modern Miroku will most likely depreciate as soon as you buy it) and you wont have the cross bolt safety. Also remember that the Winchester model 94 is an extremely durable firearm, so dont be afraid of buying one from the 1930s it will outlast you. But if you want to mount a scope then your only choice is the modern 94 Winchester or a marlin 336.
 
Something classy but still fun at the range. Look at the Marlin 1894 Cowboy in .357

This replaced my henry, excellent rifle. I was thinking of buying a second NIB when factory closed, now I regret I didn't

Cheap to feed and easy to shoot........harder to find now.

An 1892 would be my second choice and 1873 third.
 
This ones completely out of left field, but a Marlin Levermatic in 30 carbine.... if you can find one lol. I inherited one and it is a fun little rifle, but not cheap to shoot. Magazine fed and has a nice short throw. Reminds me of an m1 carbine but lever action.
 
Nibe: While you're looking at the Uberti 1873, consider also the Miroku-Winchester 1873, or 1866 rifle or carbine. First-class build quality in and out. Accurate and reliable. Available in a variety of calibers. A .357 to match your Pietta would be a nice addition.
 
FARMHANDYO: Yes, the ejection/scope issue has me concerned. Full disclosure, I'm not that handy with tools so switching off receivers etc. is not my 1st choice but pre 64 does have appeal now.
Alex Mckr: I like your suggestion of matching a .357 to my Pietta, hadn't thought of that. A Uberti would compliment my Traditions nicely. Not easy finding Uberti rifles in my neck of the woods. Really looking forward to checking out EE when they let me in.

Almost as much fun learning about lever-actions as actually shooting them. Almost.
 
Nibe: Regardless of the order in which you buy your rifles, this info may be of some use.

You'd like the Uberti 1873. Plenty of factory replacement and aftermarket parts available. The rifle of choice, for many Cowboy Action competitors. Should you wish to go that route, Uberti rifles have plenty of aftermarket parts to make them run fast and smooth. Even if competition is not in your plans, these rifles will still benefit from replacing the very heavy mainspring, lever/lifter springs and lever safety spring. If being "period correct" is important to you, the Uberti 1873 is very close internally and externally, to original Winchester 1873 rifles.

The Miroku-Winchester 1873 is comparably priced to the Uberti. Though it is much, much smoother and easier to operate, right out of the box. Some minor differences internally(from Uberti)...springs, mostly, but externally similar. A good choice, if you want a rifle that you don't need to tinker with a lot.

Either of these rifles chambered in .357, will make a fun plinker on the range. Both work equally well with .38 Special, too. You can easily tailor reloads to work in both revolver and rifle. A very versatile setup.

If you're interested in a new Miroku-Winchester 1894, these are really well built, accurate rifles. I happen to own a couple of vintage 1894 rifles(plus a new one)...and in my opinion, the new Winchesters are every bit as good...or even better... than the originals. Due to their very precise machining and modern steel construction. Whether they are as collectable as the original Winchesters, is something I don't concern myself with. Still, if you can find a pre-'64 Winchester in reasonably good shape, one of these does make a good investment.

The Miroku-Winchester 1894 is drilled and tapped for scope mounts. If memory serves...Winchester rifles changed from top ejection to side ejection, in the 1980's(1982-1983?). So... empties will clear the scope easily. The crossbolt safety of older models has also been replaced by an unobtrusive shotgun-type slider, on the upper tang. Very quick to engage/disengage.

I am curious to see how Marlin rifles turn out, now that Ruger has purchased the company. The 1894 Marlin chambered for .357, is also a perennial favourite. Time will tell.

Hope this helps.

Al
 
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Nibe: Regardless of the order in which you buy your rifles, this info may be of some use.

You'd like the Uberti 1873. Plenty of factory replacement and aftermarket parts available. The rifle of choice, for many Cowboy Action competitors. Should you wish to go that route, Uberti rifles have plenty of aftermarket parts to make them run fast and smooth. Even if competition is not in your plans, these rifles will still benefit from replacing the very heavy mainspring, lever/lifter springs and lever safety spring. If being "period correct" is important to you, the Uberti 1873 is very close internally and externally, to original Winchester 1873 rifles.

The Miroku-Winchester 1873 is comparably priced to the Uberti Though it is much, much smoother and easier to operate, right out of the box. Some minor differences internally(from Uberti), but externally similar. A good choice, if you want a rifle that you don't need to tinker with a lot.

Either of these rifles chambered in .357, will make a fun plinker on the range. Both work equally well with .38 Special, too. You can easily tailor reloads to work in both revolver and rifle.

If you're interested in a new Miroku-Winchester 1894, these are really well built, accurate rifles. I happen to own a couple of vintage 1894 rifles(plus a new one)...and in my opinion, the new Winchesters are every bit as good...or even better... than the originals. Due to their very precise machining and modern steel construction. Whether they are as collectable as the original Winchesters, is something I don't concern myself with.

The Miroku-Winchester 1894 is drilled and tapped for scope mounts. If memory serves...Winchester rifles changed from top ejection to side ejection, in the 1980's(1984?). So... empties will clear the scope easily. The crossbolt safety of older models has also been replaced by an unobtrusive shotgun-type slider, on the upper tang. Very quick to engage/disengage.

I am curious to see how Marlin rifles turn out, now that Ruger has purchased the company. The 1894 Marlin chambered for .357, is also a perennial favourite. Time will tell.

Hope this helps.

Al

Found a new Uberti 1873 20" online today and almost bought it as the price compared well. Beautiful looking gun but chambered in 45 colt and not sure I want to go that route. Same gun in .357 and I'm reaching for my cc.
 
If you want something that will appreciate in value, get a pre-'64 Winchester. Second choice, an early ('50's) Marlin 336, but they don't hold the same collector value as a Winchester, rightly or wrongly.

Stick a fork in it.... this thread is done! :)

OP sounds like you want to buy something new but this is some good advice. Maybe you will find a new in the box 9422 in your price range. They used to sell for around $500 used but are up over a grand now used. The 336's and older 94's have gone up but not nearly as much as the the 9422's or model 39's .

30-30 is a very pleasant and fun to shoot round.
 
Nibe: Regardless of the order in which you buy your rifles, this info may be of some use.

You'd like the Uberti 1873. Plenty of factory replacement and aftermarket parts available. The rifle of choice, for many Cowboy Action competitors. Should you wish to go that route, Uberti rifles have plenty of aftermarket parts to make them run fast and smooth. Even if competition is not in your plans, these rifles will still benefit from replacing the very heavy mainspring, lever/lifter springs and lever safety spring. If being "period correct" is important to you, the Uberti 1873 is very close internally and externally, to original Winchester 1873 rifles.

The Miroku-Winchester 1873 is comparably priced to the Uberti. Though it is much, much smoother and easier to operate, right out of the box. Some minor differences internally(from Uberti)...springs, mostly, but externally similar. A good choice, if you want a rifle that you don't need to tinker with a lot.

Either of these rifles chambered in .357, will make a fun plinker on the range. Both work equally well with .38 Special, too. You can easily tailor reloads to work in both revolver and rifle. A very versatile setup.

If you're interested in a new Miroku-Winchester 1894, these are really well built, accurate rifles. I happen to own a couple of vintage 1894 rifles(plus a new one)...and in my opinion, the new Winchesters are every bit as good...or even better... than the originals. Due to their very precise machining and modern steel construction. Whether they are as collectable as the original Winchesters, is something I don't concern myself with. Still, if you can find a pre-'64 Winchester in reasonably good shape, one of these does make a good investment.

The Miroku-Winchester 1894 is drilled and tapped for scope mounts. If memory serves...Winchester rifles changed from top ejection to side ejection, in the 1980's(1982-1983?). So... empties will clear the scope easily. The crossbolt safety of older models has also been replaced by an unobtrusive shotgun-type slider, on the upper tang. Very quick to engage/disengage.

I am curious to see how Marlin rifles turn out, now that Ruger has purchased the company. The 1894 Marlin chambered for .357, is also a perennial favourite. Time will tell.

Hope this helps.

Al

I still really want a Uberti 1873 in 44/40 with a 24 inch barrel. I would only load it with black powder. Ive always found that the model 1873 is the best lever action rifle ever made for speed and ease of use. Even though the action is weak it does not matter 44/40 is plenty for within 200 meters. The toggle action is also faster than the overbuilt 1892 action.

Some more #### for you guys to look at!
https://www.collectorsfirearms.com/near-mint-winchester-1873-deluxe-44-40-aw70/
 
Found a new Uberti 1873 20" online today and almost bought it as the price compared well. Beautiful looking gun but chambered in 45 colt and not sure I want to go that route. Same gun in .357 and I'm reaching for my cc.

If you reload at all Nibe 45 colt will not be a problem. Get a set of Lee dies and some lead bullets from Jetbullets, after that choose a smokeless powder and there you go. Or you can use 3fff black powder which is originally what the 1873 rifle used.

https://www.amazon.ca/Lee-Precision-45Colt-Carbide-Die/dp/B000NOSI5W
https://jetbullets.com/soft-cast-bullets
Presses have gone up in price my god.
https://www.amazon.ca/Lee-Precision-Anniversary-Challenger-Kit/dp/B00162RM3E/ref=pd_lpo_200_t_1/135-6098422-6412261?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00162RM3E&pd_rd_r=12114035-14da-4858-8194-a7947213cfac&pd_rd_w=HnGjM&pd_rd_wg=IRKJ8&pf_rd_p=256a14b6-93bc-4bcd-9f68-aea60d2878b9&pf_rd_r=82T8262QWFE0PXVABN6X&psc=1&refRID=82T8262QWFE0PXVABN6X
 
FARMHANDYO: I totally agree. I can't think of another lever action that compares to the Winchester toggle-link system, for simplicity, speed and smooth cycling. The Uberti 1873 in 44 WCF(44-40), is about the closest you could possibly get, to an original Winchester, for authenticity in rifle and cartridge. I'm with you....these rifle really shine, when loaded with bp cartridges. I like the balance... "hang"... of the 24" barrel, too. The 20" version may be a bit "quicker" in some ways, but hard to beat the smooth swing of that long barrel.
I'd really like to see either Uberti or Winchester chamber one of their 1873's in 38-40. After having experience with one of these(an original, dated 1880), I've become very fond of this chambering. Would make a perfect companion to the 44 WCF.

I see Nibe's point about the .45 Colt. Since he already has a .357 revolver, it makes sense to stick with the same chambering in a companion rifle. Like most things in life, I believe its often better to stick to the KISS principle....especially when it comes to shooting. After witnessing the downside of mismatched ammo, or forgotten ammo at more than a few cowboy action matches....I prefer to keep things as simple and hassle free, as possible.

So: Stay patient....Nibe. Your 'perfect' rifle is out there.

The .45 Colt is very popular though, in the 1873 platform. The big Colt cartridge is a great cartridge for smokeless powder. Plus, it handles bp very well, too. The only downside with bp, is the tendency to get a lot of blowback into the action. Due mostly to the fact that the relatively thick, straight-walled Colt cases don't often expand enough upon firing, to form a good seal in the chamber. So...cases come out covered in soot. Crud and soot builds up in the action and can affect operation, unless addressed.
A squirt of Ballistol and a good wipe down of the bolt, lifter and lifter block mortise every few stages, solves that problem. Followed by a thorough strip and clean, once back home. I also lightly lube the links with synthetic wheel bearing grease. This seems to keep the carbon residue from building up into a thick, sticky paste on the links' bearing surfaces, as it does with petroleum-based lubes.

On the other hand, the 44's relatively thin-walled cases do expand and seal the chamber very well. Residue and soot is minimal, and the action remains very clean. In my view, the design of the 44-40 or .38-40 cartidge, makes them ideal for bp. They run well with smokeless, too. Opinions vary, about the "ideal" smokeless powder for this cartridge. I tend to lean toward Unique, or Universal. Likewise, with the Colt. Though HP-38/231 works quite well, in light loadings. YMMV.

Al
 
Can't say enough about how much I appreciate everyone's input in this thread. I can be an impulse buyer at times and that would have been a big mistake in this case. Don't get me started on the time I bought a new red car and then took it back 2 weeks later because it gave me headaches (embarrassing, expensive, and true.)

Anyway, things are coming into focus. This week at my local range I'm 'renting' a Win 94 .44 mag, a Win 92 30-30, and a Henry 30-30. That should give me a feel for Wins and Henrys. As I narrow things down I'm weighing the 24" vs 20", AE, and pre-64 variables. One things for sure, paying 6 bills for a used Win sure makes more sense than 1500 for NIB - especially if I'm considering a Uberti as well.

Stay well,
nibe
 
FARMHANDYO: I totally agree. I can't think of another lever action that compares to the Winchester toggle-link system, for simplicity, speed and smooth cycling. The Uberti 1873 in 44 WCF(44-40), is about the closest you could possibly get, to an original Winchester, for authenticity in rifle and cartridge. I'm with you....these rifle really shine, when loaded with bp cartridges. I like the balance... "hang"... of the 24" barrel, too. The 20" version may be a bit "quicker" in some ways, but hard to beat the smooth swing of that long barrel.
I'd really like to see either Uberti or Winchester chamber one of their 1873's in 38-40. After having experience with one of these(an original, dated 1880), I've become very fond of this chambering. Would make a perfect companion to the 44 WCF.

I see Nibe's point about the .45 Colt. Since he already has a .357 revolver, it makes sense to stick with the same chambering in a companion rifle. Like most things in life, I believe its often better to stick to the KISS principle....especially when it comes to shooting. After witnessing the downside of mismatched ammo, or forgotten ammo at more than a few cowboy action matches....I prefer to keep things as simple and hassle free, as possible.

So: Stay patient....Nibe. Your 'perfect' rifle is out there.

The .45 Colt is very popular though, in the 1873 platform. The big Colt cartridge is a great cartridge for smokeless powder. Plus, it handles bp very well, too. The only downside with bp, is the tendency to get a lot of blowback into the action. Due mostly to the fact that the relatively thick, straight-walled Colt cases don't often expand enough upon firing, to form a good seal in the chamber. So...cases come out covered in soot. Crud and soot builds up in the action and can affect operation, unless addressed.
A squirt of Ballistol and a good wipe down of the bolt, lifter and lifter block mortise every few stages, solves that problem. Followed by a thorough strip and clean, once back home. I also lightly lube the links with synthetic wheel bearing grease. This seems to keep the carbon residue from building up into a thick, sticky paste on the links' bearing surfaces, as it does with petroleum-based lubes.

On the other hand, the 44's relatively thin-walled cases do expand and seal the chamber very well. Residue and soot is minimal, and the action remains very clean. In my view, the design of the 44-40 or .38-40 cartidge, makes them ideal for bp. They run well with smokeless, too. Opinions vary, about the "ideal" smokeless powder for this cartridge. I tend to lean toward Unique, or Universal. Likewise, with the Colt. Though HP-38/231 works quite well, in light loadings. YMMV.

Al

It has saddened me that I cannot find anybody that is selling a nice case hardened uberti 1873 in 44/40. I have had a very hard time finding a used one to shoot with and the new production Japanese Winchester 1873s that are in seem to be in calibers like 357 magnum and 44 magnum, plus the action may be more slick but the toggle has cuts in it which is not original and I do not like that. Do you have any knowledge of someone who is looking to get rid of their 1873?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfzCzldJ1ZY
 
FARMHANDYO: Sorry....have no contacts that immediately come to mind. By the way...I'm a big fan of "Cap and Ball", too. Also: Mike Beliveau(duelist1954). These are two great resources for bp enthusiasts. Another: JED i TV. Last, but certainly not least....Hickok45.

Miroku-Winchester rifles are available in .44-40. Standard chambering, in the 1866 model. Special order, for the 1873. Mentioned only for interest.

I recall seeing a used Uberti 1873 rifle configured with 24" barrel and 44-40 chambering on the Ellwood Epps website, a short while ago. Almost bought it, myself. Gone now....but they do come up every now and then. May be worth your while to keep an eye on the site. I expect that won't be the last one to pop up.

Nibe: Good, used pre-64 1894's are still available at reasonable price. Condition is everything, though. Particularly bore condition. It is possible to get a pretty good one in 'Shooter" condition, for well under $1000. Great idea: "Try before you buy". Best way to find which rifle suits you best, is to try examples of each. Have fun!

Al
 
If your going to get a pistol caliber cartridge, I wouldn't get a '94 Win ...the action is too long for those cartridges (imho)...get a '92 Win action or a Marlin '94. If you handload, you can load a .45 colt to .44 Mag pressures...but only use those in '92 and'94 actions! Don't even put them in a '73 action! As far as BP...I only size my .45 cases 1/2 way. They feed fine in any gun that I have tried and since they are not resized fully, the blowback isn't nearly as bad. .45 chambers are oversized anyway...I believe that's the way it was in the olden days and they didn't change the spec.
 
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