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Obtunded

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I don't want to take away from people that buy off-the-shelf rifles, put a scope and a bi-pod on them and plan to shoot "long" distances. This is as far as most people want to (or can) go in the bucks they spend on rifles and that is excellent! The worst day of shooting is still better than the best day of working! I hope event organizers will incorporate more factory classes in their shoots to attract these shooters into competition, and put some real results out there for the people with such strong factory brand loyalty.

The same questions keep popping up over and over again... "should I buy Savage .* or Remington.*?". Striclty speaking, a scope and a bipod don't make a gun a "Precision" rig, and competition class and custom guns are quite different from their off-the-shelf bretheren. AbTac put it succintly in another post when he said 1MOA "aint precision and a half MOA is just getting there"

I would like to suggest that there be two forums set up for Savage and Remington fans, but I would like to see the a forum for custom or competiton rigs where questions about these pieces get put in a better context instead of melting everything under the "precision" banner.


WHat are your thoughts?
 
Obtunded said:
I don't want to take away from people that buy off-the-shelf rifles, put a scope and a bi-pod on them and plan to shoot "long" distances. This is as far as most people want to (or can) go in the bucks they spend on rifles and that is excellent! The worst day of shooting is still better than the best day of working! I hope event organizers will incorporate more factory classes in their shoots to attract these shooters into competition, and put some real results out there for the people with such strong factory brand loyalty.

The same questions keep popping up over and over again... "should I buy Savage .* or Remington.*?". Striclty speaking, a scope and a bipod don't make a gun a "Precision" rig, and competition class and custom guns are quite different from their off-the-shelf bretheren. AbTac put it succintly in another post when he said 1MOA "aint precision and a half MOA is just getting there"

I would like to suggest that there be two forums set up for Savage and Remington fans, but I would like to see the a forum for custom or competiton rigs where questions about these pieces get put in a better context instead of melting everything under the "precision" banner.


WHat are your thoughts?
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In general, to have a seperate forum for all makes won't fly.....................then everyone will want a forum for the makes they own...................To have a seperate forum there has to be enough need/interest/use to warrant one................then more staff is need to watch these forums, and more server space is used................

You don't want to dilute things too much.......

There might be enough interest/use for a Custom/Competition Rifle Forum, but I can't see having a seperate forum for Savage/Remington/Sako/Tikka, etc..................

For the most part, the Precision Rifle Forum is serving the needs...................however I will have a look at a Custom/Competition Rifle Forum..............

SKBY.
 
If people stopped diluting this form with questions regarding economy hunting rifles like the often mentioned Stevens 200 and 700 SPS (non-heavy barrel) there wouldn't be an issue here. There's nothing wrong with discussing how to make a hunting rifle more accurate but take those inquiries where they belong - in the "Hunting and Sporting Arms" section! That way, they appeal to a wider audience for such information.

If one were to ask questions on how to take a basic hunting rifle action and create a precision rifle suited for competition or highly accurate recreational shooting, then the questions are appropriate in this form.
 
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I think the precision rifle section is working well as it is right now.

if there was a ridiculous number of posts/threads per day (250+ posts) then maybe we would have to look at dividing things up.

I think that having all interested parties in one section is good, the experienced/custom rifle/more expensive type shooters can have their threads and then sometimes lend some advice and expertise to the new/factory rifle/budget minded shooters who will have their own threads, and will be reading and occasionally posting in the custom rifle threads and learning a lot and doing research for when they are ready and informed enough to step up and get a custom rifle of their own and get more serious about the sport. that is the situation I am in right now

in my opinion we have a pretty good thing going here

sure there are a few posts that should be in the optics, reloading, hunting rifle sections but thats no big deal
 
It's an idea I'd support but only if we could get the same consideration in the Shotgun and Skeet/Trap/Sporting Clay forums. Competition class and custom shotguns are also quite different from their off-the-shelf bretheren.

It is so entirely burdensome to those who are so refined and have invested many thousands in fine custom shotguns to constantly face being soiled by the intolerable riff-raff who ask endless questions about Baikals and Remington Express pump guns (ugh.) :rolleyes:

People who have spent that much money on their guns should demand their rights to be exclusionary and elitist. Asking questions about Remingtons and Savages. How positively frightful. Who do they think they are? :rolleyes:

Standards must be set and enforced. Let those who can't meet the standards set by their betters post to a special forum where they can discuss their lesser guns in ignominy and shame. :rolleyes:
 
Since the ammo forum has factory and reloading sections, it might make sense for this forum to have "factory rifles" and "custom rifles" subforums. People looking into Savages, Remingtons, Sakos, etc. can go in the former, whilst those into Jewel triggers, Krieger Barrels, Nesika actions, etc. can go in the latter.

I think this is what Obtunded had in mind from the get-go, and not that each brand should have its own section...
 
redman said:
I think this is what Obtunded had in mind from the get-go, and not that each brand should have its own section...
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if you read the last paragraph in his post, he for the most part asks for that.......................;)

I would like to suggest that there be two forums set up for Savage and Remington fans, but I would like to see the a forum for custom or competiton rigs where questions about these pieces get put in a better context instead of melting everything under the "precision" banner.
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....And as I mentioned in my first post, everyone will want the same thing in the forums that they frequent.............;)

It's an idea I'd support but only if we could get the same consideration in the Shotgun and Skeet/Trap/Sporting Clay forums. Competition class and custom shotguns are also quite different from their off-the-shelf bretheren.
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We can't please everyone, but there would have to be enough interest and use to have a dedicated forum...............Example: if there are only a handful of members who compete with shotguns, and there are 5 times that amount that compete with rifles, the competition rifle guys will have the better chance of getting a specific forum..................Now I have no idea how many competition shotgunners there are in that forum, so that was just an example......;)

SKBY.
 
I think people seeking precision in any brand of rifle should all be able to look under one roof. Techniques cross over and newbies can learn a lot from those willing to offer up their expertise. Not all guys are interested in hunting. If you are so specialized that your interests are of no use to others, then don't read their posts. Focus on your own thing. Its great to have an active forum with lots of voices. I think splitting the forum would dilute the content, and take some of the pizazz out of this one. However, I would be first to say that sometimes posts do stray from the search for accuracy to other subjects which could be posted in other forums to help maintain focus.
 
Although I like the present single forum, I can see where some get annoyed because of their perception of what should belong in this forum.

Precision rifle covers ALL manner of disciplines/shooters looking to enhance accuracy/precision relative to their application. They are not always the same thing.

On the positive, you get a wide range of knowledge blending together. One of the few places I see this type of sharing (for better or worse). We get a chance to read/share/learn from shooters across the range of riflery. Good stuff.

However, it leaves discipline specific info, discussions and debate in the dust. Can be argued that there are discipline specific forums elsewhere already so why duplicate especially given the small numbers that would post.

If there is a desire to create subtopics here, my I suggest you offer shooting discipine categories like F class/Palma (shot prone), SR & LR BR (shot off a bench), and Tactical (shot off whatever is handy). As much as I have roots in silhouette (shot on your hind legs), I doubt there is much left going on.

Then what about those that are experimenting and shooting just for the pure enjoyment but not in any one discipline like Extreme Range shooting? Lots of very interesting tech here too.

Where does someone post a general question? Do we still keep the main precision forum so that general accuracy/precision posts are maintained?

And on it goes.

Not easy, and as was said, alot more work for those running this forum.

Jerry
 
I think we should keep it the way it is. Guys getting into the game want to see what the top guns are using. If there are seperate forums they may not feel they are elite enough to participate.
What these new shooter must remember is that they are not shooting against the big dogs, but are shooting in their own class against people shooting the same type of gear.
Some factory rifles cost more than a custom rifle. Should we have 2 forums depending on how big your wallet is or how deep your pockets are?
 
Can be argued that there are discipline specific forums elsewhere already so why duplicate especially given the small numbers that would post.
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Not easy, and as was said, alot more work for those running this forum.
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Maybe the additional work involved wouldn't justify the effort based on sheer numbers of interested parties initially but I'm not aware of any other forums (other than here) where like minded Canadian shooters can go to chat. Perhaps, in time the forum could grow into its own.
 
maynard said:
I think we should keep it the way it is. Guys getting into the game want to see what the top guns are using. If there are seperate forums they may not feel they are elite enough to participate.
What these new shooter must remember is that they are not shooting against the big dogs, but are shooting in their own class against people shooting the same type of gear.
Some factory rifles cost more than a custom rifle. Should we have 2 forums depending on how big your wallet is or how deep your pockets are?
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Ditto!!!!1000% Leave it as is
 
Have tried to get my mind around what is behind Obtunded's post. Still not sure I understand. One thing that strikes me is that most disciplines recognize a hunting category, e.g. hunting rifle in silhouette, etc. So, there is some recognition of the legitimacy of trying to achieve precision in hunting firearms even in the most advanced forms of riflery, and some effort is made to include them in. I'm really against something like a Remington/Savage split too. Gee, I've had enough discussion of Rem vs Sav to last a lifetime, and if you split things that way what about Sako, Weatherby, Tikka etc. (I think this was someone else's point too, but darned if I know how to look for itwithout losing what I have typed.) Easy to come up with what one is against. What I was starting to look for before being deflected by all the acrimony was a benchrest thread. Maybe this is touching into what is on Obtunded's mind in some way.:confused:
 
Maybe it's because I spend way too much time with this web site up on my screen, but I find there are not a ton of new posts or discussion topics in the precision area already and watering it down more wouldn't be a good thing.

One improvement I think CGN could make is put a sticky in each section for the same question that keeps getting asked, "what guns should I get to start out with". Whether it's under shotguns, precision, hunting or even reloading kits in the reloading section ect,,, the repeats and frustration could be removed by adding a "starter/newbie" thread on the recommended basic set up to get started with each time type of firearm or kit.

As far as ones for specific brand fans, there are other websites "savageshooters.com" that will give you pure brand discussions if that's what your after.
 
throback said:
I think people seeking precision in any brand of rifle should all be able to look under one roof. Techniques cross over and newbies can learn a lot from those willing to offer up their expertise. Not all guys are interested in hunting. If you are so specialized that your interests are of no use to others, then don't read their posts. Focus on your own thing. Its great to have an active forum with lots of voices. I think splitting the forum would dilute the content, and take some of the pizazz out of this one. However, I would be first to say that sometimes posts do stray from the search for accuracy to other subjects which could be posted in other forums to help maintain focus.
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Perfect answer. I too started out with the basic rifles and here I am now with the customs.

I like the thread the way it is and skip what I don't feel like reading.

To everyone, please keep your posts coming. If I don't learn something I always get enjoyment out of the read.
 
+1 to leave it as is. Even though I've got little interest in shooting BR or buying a 50lb single shot boat anchor in some wildcat caliber, I still find lots of useful info in posts on the subject.

As said above, it's not like there's overwhelming traffic in this sub-forum.
 
I like it the way it is now myself...

Guys with with pricey customs that really likes their sport are likely the one that will answer the noobs questions with the most complete answers based on their own extensive experiences. And from what I can tell most of them actually enjoys sharing what they learned over the years to those that are interested but lacks knowledge and experience.

The gun snobs can use the search feature...
 
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