suggestions on beginner rifle

Doug said:
I do not, under any circumstances whatsoever, agree with .243 for moose. PERIOD. No offence, Bishopus.

None taken! My thought was that if he wanted a rifle for deer and "mayyyyybe moose, someday..." that what he's really buying is a deer rifle, and the .243's great for that. He'll need a dedicated moose rifle before long, and then... well before long he's got a gun safe in his basement and he's here on the dark side with us :dancingbanana:
 
back to Bishopus.........the dark side is a good place to be.........

I do not disagree with .243 as a deer cartridge, depending on where he is hunting. I would not personally recommend a .243 for tight cover, since the bullets do tend to ricochet/fragment if they hit twigs and such. For open shooting it is a great cartridge, and is the one I started my oldest son on for deer.

There are many unknowns in this thread, and so many people just begging to give good advice!!!! ;-)

Doug
 
Savage / REM but if Rem, stick to 700. The SPS in stainless is nice and better thanthe BDL stainless. Stay away from the 710's. They are cheap junk IMO.
 
Anything in .308 or .30-06 really. Savage new or used. Remington 700 or model 7 only, new or used. Or the Stevens 200.
 
If you are going to buy new I would get a stevens model 200 in .308. I would top it with a high quality scope however. Get the best leupold 3-9 power scope you can afford with the left over money. This scope will last you a lifetime and you can swap it to the other rifles you will undoubtedly buy in the future when you have a better idea what you want.
 
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Choosing the caliber is easier than the rifle. The .30-06 is the best choice for a first center-fire rifle - regardless of game.

When it comes to choice of rifle, there is no free ride. Some of the ex-military rifles are horrid - others are pretty good, but unless you know what to look for it is probably better to stick with a sporter. When money is an issue there is a temptation to go the used route, and very often excellent values can be realized, but again you must know what to look for, and even gun savvy people sometimes end up disappointed. My preference is a bolt action, but Remington pumps are surprisingly accurate, dependable, and easy to carry.


The beginners rifle does not need to be match rifle accurate, but then again it should be able to hold 1.5 MOA with good ammo. There is no point in the beginner becoming disillusioned by a rifle that cannot hold 4" at 100 yards. A rifle which fits, feeds flawlessly, has a good trigger, and good sights is far more important than .25 MOA, because the intrinsic accuracy of the rifle does not matter if it cannot be utilized by the shooter.

A word about scopes - the mounts are not the place to skimp, and do not use see through rings. It is also far better to put an expensive scope on a cheap rifle than the reverse. The scope itself does not need to be outrageously expensive, but $250.00 is about the cheapest you should consider. Often a fixed power from a big name maker is better than an equally priced or cheaper variable, and good shooting can be done with a fixed 4X or 6X.

Do not over look obtaining the proper cleaning tools for your rifle. This should include a one piece rod, a jointed steel rod for field use, a bore brush and jag, solvent and light oil, and cotton patches of an appropriate size.

Once the rifle is purchased and the shooter has become familiar with it's operation, initial shooting should be from some sort of bench to sight-in the piece, and to determine it's accuracy potential. After that more attention should be paid to shooting from field positions.

From here on out, the major cost of the rifle will be in ammunition, and depending on the amount of shooting you intend to do, you can decide whether to purchase factory ammo or handload.
 
Well Rejrichard you got some pretty good advise and what Boomer posted was very good advise. The only thing I could mention is a Rem 700 ot model 7
would be way to go, used if you can find one in nice condition, if things change down the road and you want to sell it you might get all your investment back, I don't feel some of the other guns will hold there price as well as the Remington's
 
remington sps stainless

if hunting deer a bit more than moose, 270

if hunting moose more than deer 30-06 or 300mag


if hunting in bc, 30-06 or 300mag

if hunting the prairie 270
 
Stevens are only $349.00 plus tax brand new. Put on a nice scope and your in your ball park of around $600.00 for a gun & scope! Get the .308 short action as well. If you want or have a little more money, take a look at Savage's weather worrier series. IMO you will not get a better shooting gun out of the box than a Savage. The Savage will run you around $650.00 for the gun, without a scope, but worth every penny! Let us know what you decided to buy! Cheers!
 
mr00jimbo said:
I agree with all the SPS .308 people; i want one too now :p

Yeah and they were a smokin' deal when they came out for $499. I see the "new" 2007 pricing is in effect.... no more $499... :rolleyes:
 
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