Suggestions on over under 12 gauge $500max

The best thing a cheap over/under does is convince you why you need to spend more on your next over/under.

It depends on what you mean by cheap. There is a difference between a gun that is cheaply made and a gun that you might find for cheap. I've had about 4 of the USSR made Baikal over/unders and they were fine guns for the money. Only reason I sold them is because people I knew kept wanting to buy them. As mentioned, I just picked up another. Also that Winchester 101 I bought was cheap as in price but I shot it all summer long with zero issues. I also have a Simson ejector gun with deep relief engraving that was cheap as in price. It just depends on where/when you are looking and what you want it for. Now if we are talking thousands of rounds per year, then yes, you are getting into a entirely different league.
Now if by cheap you are referring to some of these new, low cost guns on the market, then yes there is definitely merit to that statement.
 
Yeah, I meant cheaply made. Maybe 15-20? years ago I did a round of trap with somebody's Russian O/U, I think it was Baikal not sure. The trigger was brutal, the opening lever hurt like hell, and the stock pounded my face so badly I never finished the round.
 
Yeah, I meant cheaply made. Maybe 15-20? years ago I did a round of trap with somebody's Russian O/U, I think it was Baikal not sure. The trigger was brutal, the opening lever hurt like hell, and the stock pounded my face so badly I never finished the round.

It's funny. Back in the 70's my dad was given a brand new Baikal over/under by an American who came up to the Delta marsh duck hunting. It kicked him so bad with heavy loads that after about 10 times firing it, he gave it to my dad. My dad could never shoot it either. I don't know what model it was but I think it had exposed screw heads in the side of the forearm. The Baikals I owned, and what I just bought, are the USSR made guns . I think they are the IZH 27 but don't remember for sure. Anyhow, generally I have trouble shooting many over/unders well but these Baikals just seem to fit me and with the typical target loads I don't find recoil a problem at all. I don't use them with heavy waterfowl type loads so can't speak to what the recoil is then. But this comes back to the purpose of what I wanted the gun for. I never intended to waterfowl hunt with them. But for the pasture clays I shoot, or the odd upland hunt, they have worked well. This one will be basically a loaner gun.
Last summer I did buy a newer, unfired Baikal over/under, the later ones that are now stamped Made In Russia as opposed to Made In USSR. I could see the difference in quality right away from the older USSR made guns so I moved it along
 
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