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I'm looking for suggestions for an inexpensive (not more than $500) semi-automatic magazine feed rifle that shoots .308. Something that I can upgrade later as needed or finances permit.

I know of the SKS-D. A CZ858 is a little out of my price range right now unless I can find a good used one. I'm assuming that 7.62 is basically .308. I know that the SKS-D is a 7.62-54 and the CZ shoots 7.62-39.

Any other suggestions.

Thanks
 
My suggestion would be you post this question in a forum other than the Long Range/Precision Shooting Competitions forum, since the rifle you're after is an anathema to long range precision shooting.
 
Forgive me but I was under the impression that most long range competitions were shot with either a .223 or a .308. I was looking at target rifle, F class and possibly Tactical Rifle later. That's the reason why I posted it here as I assumed that people here would be the most knowledgeable.

I assume that most would suggest a Remington 700 but I didn't want a bolt action I was looking at semi-auto.
 
Yes but this is a forum for competitions. Try the Precision Rifle forum:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=72

As a rule nobody shoots F-Class with a SA if they are to be competitive. Not to say it hasn't been done, in fact I have shot beside them, but a SA will not be as accurate as a specifically built F-Class bolt gun.

SA's, such as the AR-15, are best suited for Tactical Matches where you are shooting minute of man at given distances and not a 1/2min V-Bull out to 1000m/yds.

Choose which discipline you want to shoot then decide which rifle to buy/build.

There are somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000,000 posts in the above linked forum on which rifle to get (or start with) for both F-Class and Precision matches.
 
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Sorry for posting in the wrong forum. I did see another post in the competition forum about suggestions on a rifle but it may have been more specific.

And thanks for the advice.
 
tazsgtr said:
I'm looking for suggestions for an inexpensive (not more than $500) semi-automatic magazine feed rifle that shoots .308. Something that I can upgrade later as needed or finances permit.

I know of the SKS-D. A CZ858 is a little out of my price range right now unless I can find a good used one. I'm assuming that 7.62 is basically .308. I know that the SKS-D is a 7.62-54 and the CZ shoots 7.62-39.
both the sks-d and thecz are fine plinkers, and possibly deer rifles. but NOT NEARLY "target " rifles-
tne norc m14 clones aren't either, but the come a heck of a lot closer


Any other suggestions.

Thanks
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well , your last line isn't even close- the 7.62 which you are referring is our beloved are referring to is 308 WINCHESTER- also known as 7.62x 51 NATO. WHICH USES A .308 DIAMETER BULLET
the two guns you refer to are in 7.62x39 or 7.62 RUSSIAN- they bothTAKE THE SAME AMMO- only the rifles are different- moreover , they use a 311 daimeter bullet so not only is the case shorter, but the bullet is slighter fatter
my best suggestion in your price range ( and there is only one ) - the norinco m305 or m14 clone- that fires the CORRECT cartridge that you want-
incidentally, the two rifles you mention are fine plinkers or at best deer rifles, but are NOT TARGET RIFLES or even close- for that matter, neither is the norc m14, but it's a heck of a lot closer-you need to do a HECK OF A LOT MORE RESEARCH into the diciplines of the shooting sports or you'll end up with something unsuitable and you WON'T BE HAPPY
 
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tazsgtr said:
I'm looking for suggestions for an inexpensive (not more than $500) semi-automatic magazine feed rifle that shoots .308. Something that I can upgrade later as needed or finances permit.

I know of the SKS-D. A CZ858 is a little out of my price range right now unless I can find a good used one. I'm assuming that 7.62 is basically .308. I know that the SKS-D is a 7.62-54 and the CZ shoots 7.62-39.

Any other suggestions.

Thanks
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The m14 would be the best suggestion. Remington 740/742/7400 also meet your criteria but are hunting rifles - NOT target guns.

Good luck!
 
"...assuming that 7.62 is basically .308..." Nope. Warsaw Pact 7.62 x 39 chambered rifles use a .311" bullet. Most American made rifles do use a .308" bullet, but the 7.62 x 39 is not a .308. It fires a 125 grain bullet at about 2400 fps Muzzle Velocity, depending on the ammo. A .308 Win/7.62 NATO uses a 150 plus grain(147 grains for NATO ball or 168 grain match bullets, et al) bullet at about 2800fps MV. Heavier bullets run at 2600fps, MV.
 
Thanks for all the information. I really appreciate it.

I remembered the Norinco afterwards and I've been looking into it more. There are a few people who state that with modifications it can be used as a good precision firearm. Not sure if they meant over 300 m or not.

There is so much mis-information out there about things. I've seen different ammo 7.62 referred to as .308 from some sources that other sources claimed it wasn't. That's why I attempt to use the collective knowledge here in the forum. I've been lurking for some time reading as much as I can, but I found that no matter how much research I do, I'm still going to get things wrong. I appreciate the positive corrections from everyone.
 
the m14 used to be used , in it's national config , for matches up to 8oo yards all the time, and some guys with special mods could hit 1000- nobody uses meters, the same as we use grains, not grams- start going metric and you'll just confuse everybody- read everything you can on the m14( there's a lot of good stuff here on the net( disregard anything by fulton armory or clint mackee- he's just out to make money) , read the stickies on this site, and then come on and ask your questions- someone will have the answer or point you in the right directon to look it up
 
No problem. It takes about 20 years or so to get the nomaclature straight. That's what makes it interesting.

Semi autos are great fun. The only one that has any semblance of accuracy for competition is the M14, Garand, Norinco 305 family. These are very good for servcie rifle competition where we shoot prone, standing and kneeling at deliberate, snap and rapid fire targets from 100 to 500 yards.

But these rifles are 2 minute rifles.

For precision you want a decent bolt rifle with a scope and bipod. This can be shgot in 308 Win from 300 to 100 yards in F class.

Or buy both.
 
I tried going the inexpensive / milsurp route thinking somehow I could find a jewel in the rough for long range/ precision shooting.

But knowing now what I do (which is still only a grain of sand of the entire beach) I now realize it was a fantasy.

So much depends on fit and finish and quality of materials and workmanship that you just don't get in an inexpensive / milsurp / or hunting rifle. Heck, even alot of off the shelf "tactical" rifles barely scratch the surface compared to the custom jobs that try to truely do it right.

Don't get me wrong, one of my favourite guns to plink with is my milsurp sks.

But if you're seriously looking at hitting bulls, especially at any distance, you'll have to save up a little bit more (not much more mind you to get an entry level that will probably shoot better than you while you train) and go single shot bolt.

Its just matching what you want to do with the tool to do it so you don't end up frustrated in the end.
 
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