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hey guys & gals

I am helping out my uncle by looking for a WWI/WWII rifle perferably used by the canadian military for his son as he is soon to graduate from university as a history teacher. he's not looking for a common $100 lee enfield but something that has some history behind it like a Ross rifle or something, preferably in good working condition but not restored. He his willing to go up to around the $1500 mark, and he is licenced. I'm not to sure on the old stuff I have a few vintage firearms but nothing that he is looking for. email me with any thoughts or contacts.

Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Cumminsdsl

email: gambler35@live.ca

PS: great forum cant believe I havn't found this before now.
 
What's wrong with a Lee Enfield? THAT is the rifle canadians have carried into conflict for most of the 20th century. The Ross was despised by the troops and was replaced by the Lee Enfield No.1 Mk.3. WW2 saw us using the Lee Enfield No.4 Mk.1.

Proper Canadian used rifles would be: Ross, LE No.1 Mk.3, P14 and Long Branch LE No.4 Mk.1

If he has 1500 bucks to blow, track down a C-Broad arrow marked No.1 MK.3 with C-Broad arrow marked bayonet.
 
Canada used the foloowing.

Snider Enfield
Martini Henry (not so common)
Long Lee
Ross rifle Mk's I,II, and III
SMLE Lee Enfield no1MkIII*
P-17 (They never has P-14's althought some were used as sniper rifles until the no4's came into production)
No4Mk1, then the No4Mk1*
C1, C1A1 (prohib now you might be able to get a dewat, occasionally...)
C7, C7A1 (Gov only)
 
Common a Lee Enfield may be, but a No.4 Mk1 or No.4 Mk1* made at Long Branch in the war years and still in its original configuration is as historic a Canadian military rifle as ever was. But I suppose that original configuration will mean it's not "a common $100 lee enfield" that your uncle is trying to exclude.
 
Recce21 said:
Americans used the P17 while we used the P14 as sniper rifles in both WW1 and WW2. No.4 Mk.1 (T) also used as sniper rifle in WW2.
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I can't disagree with the sniper rifles, but Canada was issued the P-17 in WWII to free up SMLE rifles within Canada. They were painted with a red band on the front handguard and forestock to note the caliber change. Don't forget the Ross MkIII was used from WWI into WWII until no4 production was in good supply. but as Canada had to deal with shortages of rifles, one can see below the P-14 in service with a Warner & Swasey scope.

Nice pict of a Ross MKIII sniper, but it's huge
w ww.warmuseum.ca/cwm/exhibitions/guerre/photos/2800/19640009-004.jpg

Here's the retro fitted P-14 WWII, Italy.

italy_orsogna.jpg


I found this as well, the government did buy 95, P14s in WWI -1936 time frame, quoted from "Defending the Dominion" Edgecombe.

read for more on that, interesting info.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=440680

So many rifles, so little money.
 
Recce21 said:
Amen Brother.

And thank you for seeing my post as a discussion and not going all flame troll on me. I see that happen WAY too often on this forum.

Ryan
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Totally, there's way too many unknown elements. Looks at the POF Lee Enfield No4Mk2's. thought not to have existed.

With reference to the OP: For a rifle recomendation, Long Branch No4mk1*, say 1944 in near mint shape? Perhaps a DC marked snider Enfield, antique status and no registration.


Pete
 
"The Ross Rifle was unpopular due to its length and weight; you couldn't get into a dugout with your rifle slung. We had NO problems with our rifles." Capt. George Dibblee, DCM, % B'n, CMR

"I picked up another Ross, fired it until it was too hot to touch, went back to my old rifle." L/Cpl Robert Courtice, A Coy, 8th B'n, CEF, referring to St. Julien action, April 23, 1915.

"There was NOTHING wrong with our G*d-d*amned rifles!" Pte. Alex McBain, A Coy, *th B'n, CEF, spoeaking of St. Julien action, 23 April, 1915.
 
Come on guys it's a M1917 NOT a P17.
I have two Ross rifles.
Would have had a third, but ran out of money. Real wierd one, since the elevation on the rear sight was adjusted by turning a ring.
 
It is so hard to be sure you are getting a genuine untouched rifle without first educating yourself. A simple mark or modification can considerably reduce the value of even the most collectable rifle. If you are thinking about a Ross Rifle I would recommend first picking up a copy of "The Ross Rifle Story". You can always gift it along with the rifle later. Copies may be ordered by email at ross.rifle.story@sympatico.ca Warning!!! If you do go with a Ross, please be aware that you will be responsible for starting an expensive addiction.
 
"...willing to go up to around the $1500 mark..." He's nuts. A $100 Lee-Enfield has just as much history as a $2000 No. 4 Mk IT(sniper) in excellent condition. 2 grand is light for a 'T'.
Any paperwork has long since been destroyed.
"...certain markings that I should look out for?..." Go here. However, Canadian issue rifles had a 'C' with an arrow in it. Look at Part One, Issue and Ownership. http://enfieldrifles.profusehost.net/main.htm
Shooter's Choice, in Waterloo, is listing a No. 4 Mk I in very good to excellent condition for $495. Doesn't give the manufacturer. Call 'em. 1-866-257-7270. They'll ship.
"...he is licenced..." Your uncle or the FNG teacher? It matters.
"...nothing that can beat a 1910 Ross..." Except any No. 1 Mk III.
 
Common? something with history behind it? A No1 Mk3 has far more history behind it than a Ross. A No4 has far more history than a Ross. You will pay a lot more than $100 for a nice clean version ot either one.
No1, WW1 WW2
No4, WW2, Korea, and a few other minor disagreements
Ross, part way into WW1 until the troops could get their hands on No1Mk3's
 
IIRC, the Rangers in BC were also issued with Winchester 94s in WW2, which would have distinctive markings and maybe even a brass barrel band. I'm sure if one could source one of these that they'd fit into the requirements for a service rifle with history behind it.
 
Ranger Win 94's have three C< marks on the left side. One on the buttstock, one on the receiver and one on the forestock. Good luck finding one in original condition. For 1500.00 you should be able to find two or three examples of a Canadian battle rifle from WW!/WW2.
 
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