Summerland Long Range Fun Shoot 2008 - April 12, 13th

Mystic, you probably have an idea of the elevation where we're shooting. I'll have a pretty good idea from there how far 125MOA will get me. Of course then there's always hold over with the scope backed off but my little missiles are stay super sonic to between 2650 - 2700yds so if you've got it, we'll try it.
 
Ok, part one should be on it's way to me this week. A Savage 12FVSS, of course! I've got a 20 MOA base for it and a scope that advertises 80 MOA heading here soon as well... Now to figure out which rings to get to give me a 300 yard zero at the bottom of the scale!

The 75 grain Amax's are patiently awaiting load development.

Troutseeker
 
There is only one type of ring that can help. That is the Burris Sig rings w/inserts.

Troutseeker, if you want to dial up to a mile, you need to shim the scope so that it is zeroed at 800 to 1000yds (full down on scope, center on reticle).

If your scope has mildots, full down on scope and center will be 800 to 1000yds zero. If you dial down your mag, you should be able to have the top of the reticle at 100yds (36min down) at say 6X - using my Elites as an example.

Otherwise, you will likely run out of scope and have to use holdover. No biggie if you have a mildot reticle.

Jerry
 
Conflict is my middle name...:D

Hi Jerry, that sounds about right. Last year I manged to be sighted in dead on at 200 meters and ran out of mildots at 1400 or yards, at 14X magnification... That was with the Bushnell 4200 6X24X40 which has less elevation than the scope I will have this year.

I'm looking forward to this!!!:dancingbanana:

Troutseeker
 
By all means, get your .223 on video. I'd love to see that. It's not that I doubt you can hit "something" at that distance, I just don't believe you can do it with any kind of degree of accuracy.To repeatedly tell everyone how easy it is to do is yet another. Because it just isn't that way.

Jerry even stated it himself by saying the bullet is only going about 800 fps at that distance. How do you NOT have projectile instability when the bullet slows to trans sonic velocities? At what distance is it going trans sonic? Maybe 1,000 yds or less? I fail to see how it's going to be accurate at that 1,400 yd. distance when it's flying the last 500 yds. or so with potentially un-predicable behaviour.

If you're out for "####s & giggles" that's one thing. "Minute of Mountain" doesn't impress the Hell out of me. Making a first round hit at 1,000 yds. without sighters will.

Your 75 gr. A-MAX loading is probably ballistically similar to a .308 WIn. loaded with 168 gr. Sierra MK's, correct? I don't read or hear or many who claim that .308's with 168 Sierras are accurate much beyond 800 yds.
 
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Max Owner said:
Show up and see for yourself.

Distance can't be judged in a video.
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Sure, I'll go. You pay for my plane ticket and I'll be there, how about that?

FWIW, I briefly considered making last year's shoot until I discovered a plane ticket alone was $900 return flight.

Shoot your video. Zoom in on the target slowly to give everyone a sense of depth perception while on camera. Hey, if it's as easy to do as you claim it is, shouldn't be an issue right? I won't doubt the distance is what you say it is providing that it's properly documented.
 
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2bad4u2, wish you could come out and join the fun.

The transonic wall is talked about so much that it has become fact. YES, some bullets do not respond well to going transonic. The 168gr MK in a slow twist is a prime example of a bullet that WILL tumble due to loosing gyroscopic stability - it isn't spinning fast enough.

The 175gr MK is another!!! Was spotting for the shooter at 1400+yds when it hit the wall.

I have shot ALOT at LR with all manner of bullets. Some do, some don't. So far, I have had consistent luck with a variety of Amax bullets. Don't ask me why, I don't know.

I have pushed 155gr Amax out of 308's and 300Wby in slow twist barrels at distances well past breaking the sound barrier. On light wind days, they even held to 1 to 2MOA type accuracy. Not bad when the distances are 1450yds and 1960yds respectively.

As for the 75gr Amax, I have shot it at moderate speeds to 1200+yds(would have been subsonic around 900ish yds). In moderate gusts, accuracy was not bad. About what you would expect with a slow low BC bullet. However, the target area was repeatable. Stevens 200 factory pipe.

I have recently taken my 7 twist pac nor 223 with the same 75gr Amax out to 1000m with very satisfying accuracy on a rock 2/3 min X 3/4min large. Consistent hits INSIDE THE ROCK were a matter of hold and slight adjustments for the light wind. I had another brand new LR shooter with me and he hit the rock too. Stock used was a 'crappy and heavy' Choate varminter - rides the bags very well.

That barrel will happily hold 1/2 to 2/3 min at that distance. From the ballistics charts, the bullet is just entering the transonic speed (most turbulent and unstable) at that distance.

I was very pleased with the results. Another barrel should arrive soon to confirm this is no fluke.

There are many ultra long range shooters that maintain accuracy well beyond the speed of sound. The right bullet with the right twist rate will allow you to maintain eye opening accuracy.

Are you shooting the 2's? Of course not. But MOA is a possibility even at distances like a mile.

No idea what your shooting experiences are but some of the stuff you question is way off base. If you can, come on out and see for yourself.

We are launching lead way the H3LL out there.

Jerry
 
did u borrow nasa's hubble telescope to spot those hits. i have to agree with 2bad4u there is no doubt that a 223 could reach the 1 mile mark but i think you would be lucky to hit a school bus. i am not going to call you guys out and say u are a bunch of liars but i have shot my 223 with 65gr bullets out to 700m (on a perfectly calm day) and shot a metal man target and it didnt even take enough paint off so i could see it with my scope. and any time ive tried to shoot when there was a little wind the accuracy was gone. i know there is f-class shooters that shoot out to 1000yrds accuratly but 1000yrs is quite a bit less than 1 mile. just my 2 cents
 
Max Owner said:
The combination of dirt and grass allow "dust clouds" to mark where the bullet impacts.
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I'm amazed you can actually spot hits at this distance from something that has a mortar trajectory and very little impact energy. I'd be further inclined to think that grass would obscur any visable impact - not enhance it.
 
what size of targets were u shooting. and how many times did u connect with it 1 out of 10 / 10 out of 10 if u fire enough bullets in any direction eventually u will get lucky and hit it but if you can hit it 7 out of 10 times then u know ur not fluking out. once again i am not trying to be a #### i just am curious. i talked to a friend who's buddy went down last year and he said that you did have it out to 1400m but didnt recall what kind of accuracy you were having.

mutt
 
Mutt-roc I sent you a PM to clarify hope it helps settle some of this.

2bad4u2 I have shot with Mutt-roc and know him hence the PM, nothing personal.

Im not familiar with you but I will go this far as saying I can confirm the shots, I can confirm for a new at the time LR shooter they were impressive, consistant and visable and look forward to seeing him challenge himself further this year. The sand out there would put up a dust cloud if you throw a rock at it, it is kinda powdery. There is alot of big glass on the line up there to confirm the shots. We are not talking between the eyes and we are not talking cold bore shots. We are talking about finding the recipee for the condition, getting the elevation and working on consistancy until conditions change.

There is a vast range of experiance on the mountain and what makes this shoot a one of a kind great shoot is it's not about ego's, bragging rights, or trying to impress those around you. Its about testing yourself, sharing information,trying other peoples toys and seeing how they do it, and working together in one of the most friendly shooting atmospheres I have ever been to.

If you doubt the shots....so be it. I cant say as Im overly stressed about it nor does Troutseeker or any others that play the game seem to concerned about it.

Come out and play, see for yourself....better yet do for yourself. Then feel free to pass judgement.

Oh Ya on a final note..... The Earth Is Round. ;):D
 
Got my 300 win mag pushing the 208 A-max to 2960 and a tad under moa. ES is not that great but what the hell Im going out to have fun. No problem staying super sonic at the mile anyway. With a 30mm tube and .040" shim I can zero to a mile and the rest will be with mil dot or Kentucky windage. Priced the motels at about $60.00 for a single. Anyone going stag and want to split on a room? Im straight and have reasonable hygene.
 
I'm gonna build a couple of gongs...What size u think

Were gonna build some gongs to bring out..... Sizes anybody? We have access to various XH blind flanges, ranging from 4" up to ???? What size say for 1000yrds, and what size for whatever would be accessable.....

Maybe a 6 inch for 600yrds? or 4"?? 1 ft at 1000? 18 " for ???

Give me an idea of what u guys would like, if all works out i should be able to bring a bunch.....:dancingbanana:
 
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