Super Long Range Hunting
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Gatehouse, true 100 yards isnt that close but much closer than alot of hunters bother to try to walk. If you can take a shot at 700 yards and can hit it, good for you but this talk is going to give false machismo to some less experienced hunters and cause more problems. I never said I was dead set against people shooting at super far ranges, its that most people couldnt pull off a long distance kill. and yes I have killed twice with just a knife.Once being an animal that deserved a quick kill
quote 'If you have the proper skills, which are hard earned, you won't be taking any more chances than the guy that shoots at shorter range. The "chances" will just be different ones, is all...
- of course your taking more chances, the greater the distance the more variables come into play
quote 'If you have the proper skills, which are hard earned, you won't be taking any more chances than the guy that shoots at shorter range. The "chances" will just be different ones, is all...
- of course your taking more chances, the greater the distance the more variables come into play
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Hi, I am usually quite content to just read on here as i type far to slowly to be of much value or use in any ongoing discussion.
However ,this time i just have to ask.
How is it that you know the cow moose was wounded at long range and not by someone right on top of it? Maybe i missed where you said the how of that.If so ,Sorry if i did.
I was also wondering how you came to have seen far to many wounded animals this past hunting season that you knew for fact where wounded at long range?
I am assuming for you to have such intimate knowledge of all of that long range wounded game that you must have been hunting with the individuals who did the wounding.
Why would you hunt with people whom you do not like their actions "ethically" ?
Maybe you weren't hunting with them and i shouldn't assume anything i guess.
I am just wondering how you would have such intimate knowledge of so many wounded animals from long range shots unless you where actually there.
Do you spend all of your time following and watching other hunters to make sure they have the right code of ethics?
Is it that crowded hunting there that you commonly "witness" people you don't know in the act of wounding game long range?
I would have to think that in reality there are probably just as many animals wounded close range as long?
I am sure it happens from time to time with experienced individuals as well as the unexperienced individuals.
Maybe i am wrong on that but i would think it is most likely so.
I myself hunt with a bow most of the time now so that is of course close work, but when i am hunting with a rifle I would personally prefer a longer stationary shot then a running close one.
Doesen't mean that i think someone who would feel more comfortable shooting at a running one then a longer shot is unethical because they are more comfortable doing something different than me.
Also, i may be ignorant and maybe this is just something i should understand on my own.
However,just the same could the fellow who commented on people relying on a machine to do their work for them please explain to me how shooting something under 100 yards with your "machine" is any different then shooting something over 100 with it.
Aren't you relying on it either way regardless of distance?
Does that mean that because i have to be closer with a bow it is less of a machine then your rifle, which now of course is doing all the work for you because you are farther then bow range and therefore i am more ethical then you? Hardly!
Maybe i am just to stupid to understand the difference.
Please feel free to enlighten me.
I guess i just think that proper "ethics" should be a thing for each individual to decide for themselves .
Not a dictatorship.
I mean unless someone does something completely and so obviously heinous.Who the hell am i to judge them.
I would like think that most of my fellow hunters know what is ethical for "them" to do personally.
No,I personally don't think it would be a good thing for someone to read about long range hunting in a magazine and then just go have at it without any experience in doing so either.
However, i know very well that there are many out there and on here who can and do make some pretty impresive shots consistantly.
I most certainly am not going to lump the whole works of them all into one category.
I would have to think that that would be highly insulting to the individuals who work hard and put the time into practicing and developing the skills to do so with confidence.
Just my thoughts and personel opinions of course.Take them or leave them as you wish.I most certainly am not going to try to tell anyone that what i think has to be right.
Good hunting all.
However ,this time i just have to ask.
How is it that you know the cow moose was wounded at long range and not by someone right on top of it? Maybe i missed where you said the how of that.If so ,Sorry if i did.
I was also wondering how you came to have seen far to many wounded animals this past hunting season that you knew for fact where wounded at long range?
I am assuming for you to have such intimate knowledge of all of that long range wounded game that you must have been hunting with the individuals who did the wounding.
Why would you hunt with people whom you do not like their actions "ethically" ?
Maybe you weren't hunting with them and i shouldn't assume anything i guess.
I am just wondering how you would have such intimate knowledge of so many wounded animals from long range shots unless you where actually there.
Do you spend all of your time following and watching other hunters to make sure they have the right code of ethics?
Is it that crowded hunting there that you commonly "witness" people you don't know in the act of wounding game long range?
I would have to think that in reality there are probably just as many animals wounded close range as long?
I am sure it happens from time to time with experienced individuals as well as the unexperienced individuals.
Maybe i am wrong on that but i would think it is most likely so.
I myself hunt with a bow most of the time now so that is of course close work, but when i am hunting with a rifle I would personally prefer a longer stationary shot then a running close one.
Doesen't mean that i think someone who would feel more comfortable shooting at a running one then a longer shot is unethical because they are more comfortable doing something different than me.
Also, i may be ignorant and maybe this is just something i should understand on my own.
However,just the same could the fellow who commented on people relying on a machine to do their work for them please explain to me how shooting something under 100 yards with your "machine" is any different then shooting something over 100 with it.
Aren't you relying on it either way regardless of distance?
Does that mean that because i have to be closer with a bow it is less of a machine then your rifle, which now of course is doing all the work for you because you are farther then bow range and therefore i am more ethical then you? Hardly!
Maybe i am just to stupid to understand the difference.
Please feel free to enlighten me.
I guess i just think that proper "ethics" should be a thing for each individual to decide for themselves .
Not a dictatorship.
I mean unless someone does something completely and so obviously heinous.Who the hell am i to judge them.
I would like think that most of my fellow hunters know what is ethical for "them" to do personally.
No,I personally don't think it would be a good thing for someone to read about long range hunting in a magazine and then just go have at it without any experience in doing so either.
However, i know very well that there are many out there and on here who can and do make some pretty impresive shots consistantly.
I most certainly am not going to lump the whole works of them all into one category.
I would have to think that that would be highly insulting to the individuals who work hard and put the time into practicing and developing the skills to do so with confidence.
Just my thoughts and personel opinions of course.Take them or leave them as you wish.I most certainly am not going to try to tell anyone that what i think has to be right.
Good hunting all.
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Hi, I am usually quite content to just read on here as [B]i type far to slowly to be of much value [/B]or use in any ongoing discussionSako220: I just can't resist this, you live in New Brunswick and are a slow typist...do you by any chance work for the gun registry???
Just kiddin' man ... Merry Christmas, I use to live in Grand Falls a very very long time ago as a kid, for a couple of years.
How you hunt is up to you. I would not judge a hunter that prefers to hunt in one way or the other, as long as they have the skills to do it.
So we shouldn' discuss various aspects of hunting, in fear that someone might take somethign out of context? maybe we shouldn't discuss any sort of hunting , for fear that the less experienced may screw up
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So why shoudl those that *can* take longer shots not be able to discuss it? Most peopel can't get wihtin bow range of a big deer, so by your thinking, we shouldnt' discuss it
ll
Yeah, i've killed wiht a knife, too. So do you htink we shoudl encourage others to do it? Or d you think e shoudl not discuss it? It's just one mor aspect of killing.
Really? Are there really MORE variables? Or just DIFFERENT ones? When you get close, you risk the animal spooking, and may only having the chance of a running shot.
You also risk not having some sort of steady rest on an animal at closer ranges, since you don't have time to get settled, which risks a poor shot.
There are dozens of variables in any sort of hunting, but generally, they are simply different variables.
I know 2 men that a 700 yard shot on a deer = a dead deer. In fact, they have developed thier skills to such a degree that thier 700 yard shot is far more likely to end wiht a cleanly killed deer than many huners shootign at 150 yards.
If you *have* the skills to stalk and shoot at 43 yards, noone has any business telling you that you shoudl not be doing so. Same for 600 or 700 yards...
if you dont' have the skills, then work within your limitations. But get the #### out of the way of a guy that has the skills...
Well........... Nah i guess i am not that slow.Probably overqualified as a typist to get a job there.
That was Pretty darn funny though,Grand Falls is a nice place.That sort of rings a bell.I think i may have talked to you on here before.Or someone else who used to live there?
Merry Christmas right back at ya Guys.Hope you and yours have a good one.
That was Pretty darn funny though,Grand Falls is a nice place.That sort of rings a bell.I think i may have talked to you on here before.Or someone else who used to live there?
Merry Christmas right back at ya Guys.Hope you and yours have a good one.
gate i have the skills to kill at a long distance. but maybe call me a traditional hunter because that was the way i was taught and my dad was taught.
anywho now i know why at the beginning of this discussion some people said good greif here we go again. next time this topic comes up ill be saying the same thing. as guys from the same hunter brotherhood id like to say we can all agree to disagree somtimes. next time hopefully around a camp fire would be more fun.
Merry Christmas to you and yours, thanks for the discussion
anywho now i know why at the beginning of this discussion some people said good greif here we go again. next time this topic comes up ill be saying the same thing. as guys from the same hunter brotherhood id like to say we can all agree to disagree somtimes. next time hopefully around a camp fire would be more fun.
Merry Christmas to you and yours, thanks for the discussion
Parker-Hale Mike
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I love threads like this, some bubba gets all up in arms about someone not hunting they way they feel it should be done. I know Ian Mcmurchy and have shot with him, he got me into this game...If he feels he has the shot in the bag, he'll take it, if not he will pass. He is not some inexperienced dumbass using SWAG to make the shot, if he feels he can drop the target cleanly, then it is as good as in the freezer. I just thought I would say don't go off half cocked before you know who you are crapping on. If you want to PM me your Ph# and I will get Ian to call you and you can tell him what your thoughts are, or go to www.longrangehunting.com as he is a mod over there and you can say your piece to him directly.
I would add just one thing to this: We are constantly watching for "new hunters" that might see our post regarding the 500 m shot, we're afraid the "newbie" will get a bad example....
If one wants to crack a shot at an animal 500yds away... he'll do it. Wether he'll do it because you bragged about your success, or because we say it can not / should not be done, or just because he saw Vasili Zaitsev on TV.... He'll likely walk home with an empty bag, and a lesson learned.
We're so preocupied with other's well being... I don't know most of you outside this forum, so I'll take myself as a study case for this :
shotgun season.... Brenneke slugs.... smooth bore:
I had a deer jump @100-120 yds in front of me. I was relying on the machine to deliver the shot up to 80 yds. 100 was a stretch.
I guess I didn't rely on my abbility to kill that deer @ over 100yds. On a nice sunny day like that, with no wind and a good state of mind, 400 yds with a 308 would have been waaaay more doable than the 100 yds with a slug.
If I would have thought that I can take that deer, I would have certainly fired.
Why don't you tell me where did I fail? Not trusting the machine... not trusting myself? I walked home empty handed that day so ... something must be done, something must be fixed for the next season. My season is 2 days long.
And do not worry , we do not judge people by their post count. We don't judge period. We can but form an opinion about the other members, so please tell us, how do you see things in my case?
I didn't get close enough?
Why didn't I choose another firearm?
should I shoot next time, maybe I'll get it and brag here?
Am I alowed to shoot if my kids are hungry? How many kids and how hungry before I'm allowed to wound a moose or a deer trying to kill it?
Should I shoot from the shoulder letting the moon-god to guide my bullet to that infidel moose's heart?
If one wants to crack a shot at an animal 500yds away... he'll do it. Wether he'll do it because you bragged about your success, or because we say it can not / should not be done, or just because he saw Vasili Zaitsev on TV.... He'll likely walk home with an empty bag, and a lesson learned.
We're so preocupied with other's well being... I don't know most of you outside this forum, so I'll take myself as a study case for this :
shotgun season.... Brenneke slugs.... smooth bore:
I had a deer jump @100-120 yds in front of me. I was relying on the machine to deliver the shot up to 80 yds. 100 was a stretch.
I guess I didn't rely on my abbility to kill that deer @ over 100yds. On a nice sunny day like that, with no wind and a good state of mind, 400 yds with a 308 would have been waaaay more doable than the 100 yds with a slug.
If I would have thought that I can take that deer, I would have certainly fired.
Why don't you tell me where did I fail? Not trusting the machine... not trusting myself? I walked home empty handed that day so ... something must be done, something must be fixed for the next season. My season is 2 days long.
And do not worry , we do not judge people by their post count. We don't judge period. We can but form an opinion about the other members, so please tell us, how do you see things in my case?
I didn't get close enough?
Why didn't I choose another firearm?
should I shoot next time, maybe I'll get it and brag here?
Am I alowed to shoot if my kids are hungry? How many kids and how hungry before I'm allowed to wound a moose or a deer trying to kill it?
Should I shoot from the shoulder letting the moon-god to guide my bullet to that infidel moose's heart?
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X-man, i hear your concerns. But really, we could stack up individual concerns about what new hunters are going to do till it hits the roof. It's difficult to address things on a case-by-case basis because everyone's different.
Perhaps a more simple approach is better - we do have an ethical responsibilty to only take shots which we believe have a high percentage of killing the animal. Stay within whatever that is for you.
The message we should be sending to new hunters is to be sure of their shots. If they haven't shot long range, it's not for them. However - it's just as important for them to know that ANY shot that's a little marginal for their skill should be avoided. Long, short, whatever - know your skill and shoot within it.
Biggred and Gatehouse's .. ahem.. 'colourful' dialogue is correct in the aspect that we do ourselves harm when we make blanket statements about what specific activity is eithical or now. There are guys who can dump animals at longer ranges and have the training and the gear to make that happen reliably. For them, shooting out to 500 yards or whatever is not unethical at all. For me - it probably would be. I'm not confident in my skills beyond 300 and change.
There is such a thing as hunting eithics. However, it doesn't tend to work well when you try to break it down to specific actions. We should all avoid wounding animals - that's a given. It's going to happen from time to time, but we should take reasonable steps to avoid it. That's about as specific as you can get.
Perhaps a more simple approach is better - we do have an ethical responsibilty to only take shots which we believe have a high percentage of killing the animal. Stay within whatever that is for you.
The message we should be sending to new hunters is to be sure of their shots. If they haven't shot long range, it's not for them. However - it's just as important for them to know that ANY shot that's a little marginal for their skill should be avoided. Long, short, whatever - know your skill and shoot within it.
Biggred and Gatehouse's .. ahem.. 'colourful' dialogue is correct in the aspect that we do ourselves harm when we make blanket statements about what specific activity is eithical or now. There are guys who can dump animals at longer ranges and have the training and the gear to make that happen reliably. For them, shooting out to 500 yards or whatever is not unethical at all. For me - it probably would be. I'm not confident in my skills beyond 300 and change.
There is such a thing as hunting eithics. However, it doesn't tend to work well when you try to break it down to specific actions. We should all avoid wounding animals - that's a given. It's going to happen from time to time, but we should take reasonable steps to avoid it. That's about as specific as you can get.
Well said Foxer... and I apologize to X-man for the personal attack. I try not to go there... but after looking back at the post clearly I crossed the line. I will edit my offending post immediately!
It is not that I don't sympathize with X-mans frustration with unschooled hunters. I just don't think that hunting ethics or long range hunting is the problem.
It is not that I don't sympathize with X-mans frustration with unschooled hunters. I just don't think that hunting ethics or long range hunting is the problem.
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BIGREDD said:
It takes a man to admit that he was wrong. I have been there many times
I am trying to fix that flaw in my personality, dont know if it will ever happen, but atleast I am trying God forbid I ever agree with Bigredd
J/K bud 
crazy_davey said:It takes a man to admit that he was wrong. I have been there many times
God forbid I ever agree with Bigredd
Dont give up on yourself. You are who you are .You've taken the first step to recovery
Long range hunting and shooting
We all have different views here but again common sense should prevail.
As Dirty Harry said: A man has to know his limitations.
Here's some excellent reading and a huge amount of valuable info on the subject.
http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/longrange_shooting/shooting_hunting.htm
In my opinion, better be prepared for the worse scenario than complain later about the shot that you had to take and missed because you were not trained properly.
And again, an easy prone shot or benchrest at 500 yards on the range vs. the same distance shot in real field/hunting situation without practice with shooting sling or various shooting position can be humbling experience.
regards,
cd.
We all have different views here but again common sense should prevail.
As Dirty Harry said: A man has to know his limitations.
Here's some excellent reading and a huge amount of valuable info on the subject.
http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/longrange_shooting/shooting_hunting.htm
In my opinion, better be prepared for the worse scenario than complain later about the shot that you had to take and missed because you were not trained properly.
And again, an easy prone shot or benchrest at 500 yards on the range vs. the same distance shot in real field/hunting situation without practice with shooting sling or various shooting position can be humbling experience.
regards,
cd.
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BIGREDD said:What happened to blindside.... I thought he wuz doing OK...
I know... none of my business... but I feel so vulnerable....
Ya, who knows
He had such a great personality and was a wealth of knowlage, I cant see why he would ever get banned.
Cant wait till he comes back, I miss him allready
crazy_davey said:Ya, who knows
He had such a great personality and was a wealth of knowlage, I cant see why he would ever get banned.
Cant wait till he comes back, I miss him allready
Wish I could see your face as you were typing that
LOL
