Superhuman efforts to accurize 10/22s?

i can place my bullets in the space of a quarter or less with my 10/22 from 25 yards.
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No offence my friend but that is crap. My gopher rifle will print 5 round groups inside 1/3 of an inch at 50 yds with HP hunting ammo.

Personally I think people buy 10/22's for two reasons. They are the most popular semi-auto. And they are cheap. And if gun owners are nothing, they are generally cheap. That these people often end up spending hundreds if not thousands to upgrade their cheapo rifle is something they just don't think about.

If there was anything rational thinking going on, people would buy an Anschutz the first time. It costs less in the long run and is a vastly superior rifle at any time.
 
No offence my friend but that is crap. My gopher rifle will print 5 round groups inside 1/3 of an inch at 50 yds with HP hunting ammo.
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no offence taken. i've barely even spent alot of time shooting it. and none of those shots are prone. all are kneeling or sitting, and double taps. i'm sure with proper sight work and prone i could improve it greatly.

what kind of rifle do you use?
 
simple answer, we live in a materialistic world.... why did you buy that cellphone with internet,bluetooth textmessage games and the rest of that junk? because you can. it has features your old one doesnt so you upgrade it.
 
FlyingHigh said:
i dunno about one hole groups, but i can place my bullets in the space of a quarter or less with my 10/22 from 25 yards. havevn't done any mods to the gun or anything. also haven't really tried longer ranges yet, so i guess 25 yard groups is isn't that impressive.
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This is the big head scratcher for me.
To gain accuracy for 25 or 50 yrds. Most 22s off the shelf these days will do this, I guess to all their own.
 
Why

manbearpig said:
let me clarify right off the bat that i really like 10/22s. i own a couple and have done my share of modding, polishing, dremeling, swapping in aftermarket parts, bedding, etc to tweak their performance. but thats just to tweak -- i basically make small, simple changes to get the most out of the existing design but the rifle stays as an affordable, reasonably accurate plinker.

what i dont understand is why so many people go to superhuman lengths and spend thousands of dollars to try and squeeze one-hole group accuracy out of a 10/22?

leaving .22 rimfire ammo entirely out of the equation, the 10/22 on its own has several serious design issues that are not exactly conducive to benchrest accuracy. yes i know people have been able to squeeze suprisingly small groups out of significantly modded 10/22s, but whats the allure? is it the challenge of taking an econo rifle and making it into a range queen? is it the sense of accomplishment from achieving this with an aluminum-receivered v-blocked econo-plinker?

i am not condemning anyones actions, but im just really curious why more of the accuracy crowd doesnt start with an action that would be easier to accurize, like the 77/22 perhaps?
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Why ? To have a semi auto tack driver - useful in many speed .22 competitions :D
 
FlyingHigh: I certainly didn't mean to suggest you shooting skills were crap. My comment was directed at the rifle. I'm not a big fan of the 10/22.

I shoot a single shot ISU style target rifle. My wife has a single shot Anschutz. Both are the absolute bomb in a gopher field.

Over the course of 10 or 20 or 30 rounds the semi-auto is definately faster. But over the course of hundreds of rounds I think they end up being about equal for speed. While the semi-auto shooter is busy reloading mags, the single shot shooter is still shooting.
 
To gain accuracy for 25 or 50 yrds. Most 22s off the shelf these days will do this, I guess to all their own.
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the main reason i shoot the shorter ranges is i don't have an area i can go out longer than about 50 yards, since i'm not a member of a club. my shooting is limited to a gravel pit or a logging slash where the only safe area to shoot with a backstop is about 50 yards. i'd love to try shooting it out to 100+ yards. maybe even push it out to 300 or more.

FlyingHigh: I certainly didn't mean to suggest you shooting skills were crap. My comment was directed at the rifle. I'm not a big fan of the 10/22.

I shoot a single shot ISU style target rifle. My wife has a single shot Anschutz. Both are the absolute bomb in a gopher field.
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i agree that a single shot rifle will be a much more accurate target rifle. a bolt action single shot is on my list of toys to buy. i just work with what i have for now. :)
 
The 10/22 is one of the most reliable/accurate .22 semi-auto rifles ever made. It does have flaws but try to name a better semi 22 for the same price there are none.
 
It could (and has) been argued that both the Marlin 60/795 and the Rem 597 are better rifles than the 10/22. The only thing that really seperates the Ruger from the rest is High-cap mags (And now there Rem has them) and aftermarket accessories(which the others don't really need).
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Grant
 
The nature of the beast is that typically speaking, on strictly engineering terms, a semi should be less accurate than a typical bolt or lever. Reason being is that when you fire off a round, the bolt is moving backward to reload while the bullet is still in the barrel. To what degree it should logically be less accurate has never been spelled out but it is logical. There are always exceptions to every rule so factors that play major part of this story would be
1) how much your rifle likes the ammo you use, 2) how good a shooter you are, and 3) what condition your rifle is in. There are lots of other factors but then it depends on how much accuracy you require. Semis can be a crapshoot-you might have an accurate rifle and you might not. Some people spend a thousand dollars to make theirs shoot well. You are more likely to get an accurate rifle out of the box if you buy a bolt or single. You dont see competition shooters using semis do you? They are fun and can be accurate enough but if a shooter can cover a group with a quarter at 50m with a semi then it is likely he/she could do the same or better with a bolt as all of the mechanism is firmly locked in place till the bullet has left the barrel. It would be nice to see if someone could come up with an actual engineering test under lab conditions to give an idea how much if any difference there is. At this point it depends on who you are talking to.
 
I think the aftermarket for 10/22 parts is based on the fact that absolutely anyone can tear down and rebuild one of these rifles, and they can do it on a budget. You can completely rebuild you're receiver and give yourself a fine trigger job in an afternoon. There aren't a lot of rifles that can be dissassembled as easily as the ruger. Also it is something that can be done over a number of years and you can spend as little or as much as you want on it. I understand that customizing 10/22's is an acquired taste and I sure enjoy it:cool:
I could go out and buy an accurate bolt gun no prob and maybe for cheaper than my "built" 10/22's cost but I like knowing that the combination of accessories I've added to my rifle makes it one of a kind.
 
savagelh said:
I think the aftermarket for 10/22 parts is based on the fact that absolutely anyone can tear down and rebuild one of these rifles, and they can do it on a budget. You can completely rebuild you're receiver and give yourself a fine trigger job in an afternoon. There aren't a lot of rifles that can be dissassembled as easily as the ruger. Also it is something that can be done over a number of years and you can spend as little or as much as you want on it. I understand that customizing 10/22's is an acquired taste and I sure enjoy it:cool:
I could go out and buy an accurate bolt gun no prob and maybe for cheaper than my "built" 10/22's cost but I like knowing that the combination of accessories I've added to my rifle makes it one of a kind.
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Way too much money has gone the way of the 10/22...;)
 
Agreed Cyclone and that is why I sold mine but at the same time it encourages dealers to stock accessories which also gets them thinking about accessories for other brands that I want. So it does feed the machine by creating a market of its own. There are a lot of people stocking parts for just that purpose. Which also makes it easier for those same dealers to get the toys I want for my stuff-an open door if you will. Anything that makes opportunities for others is ok with me. Who knows, I might even end up with another one some day. Never say never again.....Sure are enough of them on the exchange eh?
 
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