supreme-court-affirms-american-indigenous-mans-right-to-hunt-in-canada
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whole lotta loser fail in this thread.
nice to see peoples true colors though so I can avoid any dealings in the future.
threads like this should be canned by admin
as an indigenous person I find the content here in this thread disgusting and insulting
nice to see peoples true colors though so I can avoid any dealings in the future.
threads like this should be canned by admin
as an indigenous person I find the content here in this thread disgusting and insulting
45ACPKING.
I agree with you there is a lot of fail in this thread.
And I will admit that I absolutely admire this man's strength and conviction to commit to something he believes in by harvesting an animal then turning himself in specifically to force the issue in court. That takes serious balls.
Howevery I stand by my comment that these things should be sorted out before breaking the law. He did in fact poach that animal.
Now that said, I have several first nations close friends, most of which think that the special rights and priviledges are awesome but bull####. Of course I don't begrudge someone taking advantage of what they are afforded, like the free education paid by the band (with taxpayer money) or harvesting rights when used responsibly.
It does not change the fact that I did nothing to any first nation person... neither did my parents.... or my grandparents....
I don't have the same rights as someone with first nations status.
I support people maintaining and celebrating their culture, art, and history.
However I also see a lot of abuse of those rights, corruption in the bands, and as one of the people paying the bill, I maintain the right to be pissed off.
Fact is, I don't care that someone want's To be able to hunt on the land of their ansestors.... I do have a problem that someone wants more rights than another person.
I am open to a respectful conversation, but ask that you respect my perspective as well.
I agree with you there is a lot of fail in this thread.
And I will admit that I absolutely admire this man's strength and conviction to commit to something he believes in by harvesting an animal then turning himself in specifically to force the issue in court. That takes serious balls.
Howevery I stand by my comment that these things should be sorted out before breaking the law. He did in fact poach that animal.
Now that said, I have several first nations close friends, most of which think that the special rights and priviledges are awesome but bull####. Of course I don't begrudge someone taking advantage of what they are afforded, like the free education paid by the band (with taxpayer money) or harvesting rights when used responsibly.
It does not change the fact that I did nothing to any first nation person... neither did my parents.... or my grandparents....
I don't have the same rights as someone with first nations status.
I support people maintaining and celebrating their culture, art, and history.
However I also see a lot of abuse of those rights, corruption in the bands, and as one of the people paying the bill, I maintain the right to be pissed off.
Fact is, I don't care that someone want's To be able to hunt on the land of their ansestors.... I do have a problem that someone wants more rights than another person.
I am open to a respectful conversation, but ask that you respect my perspective as well.
Daver... I'm about the same. We made the deals... we ought to stand behind them. They have privilege's that no-one other than FN have... I can abide that.
But 'Cousin Bob' from Washington can kick rocks as far as hunting privileges in Canada.
I'm remembering an Inca guide in Cancun stating that most of the indigenous folk in the America's are related... does mean the Inca's can hunt here too?
The Treaties were made, stand behind them. Don't extend the privilege's to Indigenous people from other countries though ... that's disgusting and insulting .
It's like one having permission to hunt from a Landowner... that doesn't mean that your extended family has Carte Blanche rights to hunt as well.
But 'Cousin Bob' from Washington can kick rocks as far as hunting privileges in Canada.
I'm remembering an Inca guide in Cancun stating that most of the indigenous folk in the America's are related... does mean the Inca's can hunt here too?
The Treaties were made, stand behind them. Don't extend the privilege's to Indigenous people from other countries though ... that's disgusting and insulting .
It's like one having permission to hunt from a Landowner... that doesn't mean that your extended family has Carte Blanche rights to hunt as well.
The early treaties were signed for profit under the authority of the British Crown...the outrage should be mine as I am now paying for them with taxes and reduced outdoor access to natural crown owed resources.
I for one have always respected 45ACPKINGS posts.... this latest one, no so much so though.
I for one have always respected 45ACPKINGS posts.... this latest one, no so much so though.
Ok look at it this way. Take out the indigenous factor. Pretend it just said american hunter. That's where the real issue and outrage lies. Yes the underlying and constant factor of one people being treated differently, having more "rights" than the others will always be there, but you could put in literally anything outside of dying make a wish orphan instead of the native factor and it would be just as outrageous.
I suggest we back it up to non Canadian citizen right to hunt in Canada and debate on that instead. Leave the other bias or underlying opinions to the wayside. From both ends of this discussion.
I’m not so sure that true at all. Also, white people were doing both since before either government even existed as well.
And you don't find it just a Teensy bit of an insult that certain Americans have more rights to hunt in Canada than you do?
Typically North American's find the Birthright Logic to be a bit offensive... 'I was born into XYZ clan... therefore I have rights and privileges that you do not... and you ( nor your offspring... because even if I married a native woman... my children wouldn't be allowed privledges that a FN man whom marries a non-FN woman has... ###ist much? ) will never have...'
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The early treaties were signed for profit under the authority of the British Crown...the outrage should be mine as I am now paying for them with taxes and reduced outdoor access to natural crown owed resources.
I for one have always respected 45ACPKINGS posts.... this latest one, no so much so though.
when people start saying indigenous people should hunt with sticks and rocks and without horse and insert your favorite cliche here "......." it bugs me and I think "Okay.... I'l hunt with sticks and rocks like my ancestors did but all you non indigenous have to give up your borders, your highways and your motor vehicles and you should be hunting with nothing but flint locks..... seems about right too me eh?
Treaty 6 gave lands to my family that were later taken and given to immigrant farmers and then that farmers son when he became a man bulldozed the historical grave sites and any traces of the decendants of chief little hunter from the land. Thankfully my uncles and my dad got the site recognized and the federal heritage minister got involved and some things were set right. At least I can go visit my great grandmother's grave though. That land..... 100's and 100's of acres should be my families.... I should be able to hunt and fish and farm there and leave it to my kids. Instead that land has made immigrant family's wealthy and there is no access for me to hunt and hike on the land that was once my great grandfathers.
The border means nothing to a whole lot of Indigenous people and treaties included the freedom to move to and fro across the border unfettered. I don't see why that should not include hunting territories.
All of the issues that fire people up and cause them to start typing garbage about indigenous rights, territories, treaties and resource harvesting are all venting thier frustrations and offensive comments at the wrong people. The canadian government and the Crown made and broke all these deals and allowed the millions of people we have today in this country to benefit off the resources of the land and it is only in the past few decades that canada's indigenous peoples are standing up for themselves.
The Indian Act needs to be completely abolished and this country and ALL it's people need a re-write and a new deal brokered that is good for all. However, the current system is what it is and if you don't like it..... vent to your politician and add these topics to your list of Voting requirements when you go to the poles.
Corruption in indian bands is a funny comment considering the corruption that is perpetuated by government and big business. The same big business that has profitted off the first peoples lands. I wonder how much money that crook Jimmy Patterson has made off the fish, the trees, the "everythiing harvestable in the province"....... Any of you go after Jimmy patterson for the decline in halibut and salmon? Nah..... just blame the natives..... it's a common mistake.... you should be blaming government for "both" Jimmy and the situation with treaties and territories.
I also don't have an issue with an Indigenous person breaking the law when it comes to a law like harvesting an animal. I may find myself in that same situation this fall or next as I am getting impatient with this government and I want hunting rights in my treaty territory just like the treaty says. Heck they are even supposed to be supplying me with a yearly allotment of ammunition for my rifles..... it's right there in the treaty. LOL
that's it for me.... carry on
All this have lasted long enough and should be fixed and resolved.
Whatever, it have to be seen as of 2021 , not what happened in 1700. Native and new comers fought and died over land and for other reasons. Nothing can be done about that.
Treaty were made and broken by both side. No way to know. Claimed land are not written anywhere but are what is claimed today by native. No way to know if it was taken or given. Native claims are not supported on paperwork but by oral history that can be or not accurate at all.
So at one point - it have to end. Native are Canadian in todays world, and should be treated as equal. All those native laws - Indian Affairs laws and ministries have to go. Many 1700 laws still exist in the book and nobody can claim they apply today. All nation have history, and trying to use was was then in todays world do not work.
Billions of bucks were given in compensation and huge sums of money is still given today.
Do Canadian have to pay until end of time ? I know of no land that have a 400 years mortgage. At one time, it must end.
Whatever, it have to be seen as of 2021 , not what happened in 1700. Native and new comers fought and died over land and for other reasons. Nothing can be done about that.
Treaty were made and broken by both side. No way to know. Claimed land are not written anywhere but are what is claimed today by native. No way to know if it was taken or given. Native claims are not supported on paperwork but by oral history that can be or not accurate at all.
So at one point - it have to end. Native are Canadian in todays world, and should be treated as equal. All those native laws - Indian Affairs laws and ministries have to go. Many 1700 laws still exist in the book and nobody can claim they apply today. All nation have history, and trying to use was was then in todays world do not work.
Billions of bucks were given in compensation and huge sums of money is still given today.
Do Canadian have to pay until end of time ? I know of no land that have a 400 years mortgage. At one time, it must end.
rommelrommel
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Recently I saw some FN advocate say on the news that a system in which you have different rights for different races is apartheid... I started laughing and said fine then, let's abolish it.
