Svt 40? Or vz 24?

bp2626 said:
@ st1264
That's a nice RC Romanian vz. I didn't even know Lever had one's that nice. The examples I looked at had dark bores and were well used but refurbished into good condition.
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It's going to be even nicer. I'm sweating out the stock, going to clean/degrease it and oil it. I've acquired 3 surplus UHG's to refinish to match and replace the one that's on there now, with an arsenal repair (and is much darker). I have 3 chances to get it right... and hopefully recoup some of my money by selling the other UHG's that I don't use.

That thing is built like a tank and with that 17" bayonet installed, it means business.

mr.e moose said:
SVT-40, one of the most undervalued semi autos on the market. Shoots cheap surplus and less than 2,000,000 made. There were 13,000,000 Lee Enfields made and now a good example commands $600.00 +. Try to find 8mm for a half decent price and the choice is obvious.
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I'd take a nice Enfield over an SVT or Mosin in a heartbeat. It's not a contest, buy whatever you want. For a well made Mauser, the VZ24 is great bang for the buck.
 
mr.e moose said:
SVT-40, one of the most undervalued semi autos on the market. Shoots cheap surplus and less than 2,000,000 made. There were 13,000,000 Lee Enfields made and now a good example commands $600.00 +. Try to find 8mm for a half decent price and the choice is obvious.
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You forgot to mention however most Lee Enfields were cut down into sporting rifles, well the SVT-40 hasn't had that happen to it (excluding Globeco, which in all honestly only touched a small portion of the SVTs as it was only Finnish captured ones that received treatment at there hands).
 
Eaglelord17 said:
You forgot to mention however most Lee Enfields were cut down into sporting rifles, well the SVT-40 hasn't had that happen to it (excluding Globeco, which in all honestly only touched a small portion of the SVTs as it was only Finnish captured ones that received treatment at there hands).
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Only the ones that are potentially in all original condition were chopped up is the problem :'(
 
To the questions like this the only answer is both. Preferably in the condition most close to original. Scrubbed crests are not good if you care about history of the rifle, but I guess don't matter if you're after shooter.
If one can afford only one rifle - take SVT-40, supply is running out, prices are climbing up. Romanian scrubbed VZ24s are not in high demand and prices are not going up as fast as for SVTs.
 
Horilka said:
To the questions like this the only answer is both. Preferably in the condition most close to original. Scrubbed crests are not good if you care about history of the rifle, but I guess don't matter if you're after shooter.
If one can afford only one rifle - take SVT-40, supply is running out, prices are climbing up. Romanian scrubbed VZ24s are not in high demand and prices are not going up as fast as for SVTs.
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If that's the case, the OP probably wouldn't lose any money on either if he handpicked them... Buy Both!
 
I am making an assumption that you are thinking about making a purchase from Lever Arms - as they carry both types of rifles.

It that is the case, purchase and SVT40 as they are not scrubbed and are just refurb'd and you have the ammo.

Lever VZ24's have scrubbed receivers and lose most of their collectors value for that reason.

If looking for an accurate shooter the VZ24 is generally a good way to go.
 
agentcq said:
Lever VZ24's have scrubbed receivers and lose most of their collectors value for that reason.

If looking for an accurate shooter the VZ24 is generally a good way to go.
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Collector value goes out the window when no #'s are matching so what's the use? Buy a $200 SKS, shoot if for a year and sell it for $200 on the EE. Probably the same thing with the VZ24, but I'm under the assumption they'll go up in price as there aren't that many "nice ones" around. If you bought a $170 Chinese SKS a couple years back, they're going for $300 on the EE right now as the supply has dried up.

SVT-40's, Mosin's and Russian SKS's, my local Canadian Tire has crates of them.
 
The only difference between these gems for buying/collecting is opinion. Both fine examples of shooting history.

Vz24 tend to be well finished Mausers, and good examples of 98 action. Nice wood, and metal. Built well. Trickier to feed if you don't reload as 8mm tends to be pricey.

SVT-40 Is essentially a 40 year newer technology, with a fresh (but refined) design. Feeding them is easier for non-reloaders.

I'm guessing more 98 actioned rifles were dropped to pick up an SVT-40 than vice versa when they were actually being pointed at people.

I have both, and like'em just fine. Because surplus 7.62x54r is common/cheap, and it's been in the collection for less time my SVT-40 gets more use these days.
 
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Wiseguym70 said:
it is a 1907/15 haha my bad! i got the numbers mixed up! im excited to see it when it arrives
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The 1907/15s aren't carbines either...

They are however extremely nice and fun rifles to shoot. Definitely one of my favourites in my collection.

Claven2 said:
There is no such thing as a 1905/17??

There is a 1907, a 1907/15 and a 1916. Also a Mdle 92, which I doubt you have.
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There is a fair bit more than that. 1890 Cavalry Carbine, 1890 Cuirassiers Carbine, 1890 Gendarmerie Carbine, 1892 Arty Carbine, 1902 Indochina Rifle (first rifle form), 1907 Senegal Rifle, 1907/15 Rifle, M16 Rifle, M16 Carbine, 1892/27 Carbines and 1916/27 Rifles, M34 Rifle and M34 Carbine. If someone wanted to you could have a very large collection of just Berthier firearms, and this isn't including all the 'transitional and updated' rifles and carbines (like the 1890/92s etc.) and the different manufacturers (like Remington, St. Etienne, etc.).
 
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well looks like i got taken to the park, Guess i should do my research abit better :confused: i guess when i get it she is going up on the EE for a fair price :)
 
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What a beauty VZ24! Bore, stock and bolt almost like new. Only problem was the handguard which had an arsenal repair, but I found one that matches almost perfectly... Stock got treated with linseed oil, cosmo cleaned and ready to hit the range. Quite impressed. If I get adventurous I'll try to match the wood on the bayonet to the stock. Bolt not silky smooth like my Yugo M48's, but it's nice.

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Eaglelord17 said:
The 1907/15s aren't carbines either...

They are however extremely nice and fun rifles to shoot. Definitely one of my favourites in my collection.



There is a fair bit more than that. 1890 Cavalry Carbine, 1890 Cuirassiers Carbine, 1890 Gendarmerie Carbine, 1892 Arty Carbine, 1902 Indochina Rifle (first rifle form), 1907 Senegal Rifle, 1907/15 Rifle, M16 Rifle, M16 Carbine, 1892/27 Carbines and 1916/27 Rifles, M34 Rifle and M34 Carbine. If someone wanted to you could have a very large collection of just Berthier firearms, and this isn't including all the 'transitional and updated' rifles and carbines (like the 1890/92s etc.) and the different manufacturers (like Remington, St. Etienne, etc.).
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While you are right, I was ready to bet my left nut he had one of the models I mentioned. The other variant are uncommon enough in Canada to make it unlikely a first-time Breathier owner would get one.
 
Wiseguym70 said:
well looks like i got taken to the park, Guess i should do my research abit better :confused: i guess when i get it she is going up on the EE for a fair price :)
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What happened?

Even if it's a carbine and marked 1907/15, that does not mean much. In WW1, the French sent battlefield pickups back to the factory and plenty of new carbines left the factory with re-used rifle receivers and that sort of thing.

It's probably a legit variant - post pics in a separate thread for comments.
 
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