Good enough. I'd still rather talk here about the SVT but I won't take my ball and go home over it.
SVT decision?
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Good enough. I'd still rather talk here about the SVT but I won't take my ball and go home over it.
i rather find and send to (prison/firing squad) crazy #### star murderers that chop people and eat em but you cant always get what you want.
but thats neither here or there, cant it be aloud in both?
I view (and I believe many others do as well) the Red Rifle forum as a "shooter" forum. The Milsurp forum is much more of a "collector" forum. The questions and knowledge within are quite different in their focus.
I think it is fair to say the SVT-40 is more of a "collector" gun than a "shooter", unlike an SKS, perhaps. There are way less (pretty much non-existent) in the way of aftermarket accessories for it, for instance. It is also less commonly recommended as a "starter" gun, compared to the SKS. The SVT-40 also did not see very much service beyond WW2, while the SKS is a Cold War gun much like the rest of the stuff in the Red Rifles section.
Why not just let it sort itself out and take less of an active hand moving stuff around, if it's a hassle? If someone posts historical questions in the Red Rifles forum, it won't take very long before they get directed over here to the Milsurp section for answers.
I think it is fair to say the SVT-40 is more of a "collector" gun than a "shooter", unlike an SKS, perhaps. There are way less (pretty much non-existent) in the way of aftermarket accessories for it, for instance. It is also less commonly recommended as a "starter" gun, compared to the SKS. The SVT-40 also did not see very much service beyond WW2, while the SKS is a Cold War gun much like the rest of the stuff in the Red Rifles section.
Why not just let it sort itself out and take less of an active hand moving stuff around, if it's a hassle? If someone posts historical questions in the Red Rifles forum, it won't take very long before they get directed over here to the Milsurp section for answers.
haretrigger
CGN Regular
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- Lower Mainland, BC
I don't think that when I post a question about a Finnish captured SVT40 in the red rifle forum, I'd get as much as a response as I would in the Milsurp section. Honestly, I'd like to hear from a guy who has some interest and exposure collecting WW2 era firearms, than a guy who pops off 1000 rounds on the weekend with his SKS.
What about considering reclassifying the Milsurp section as for pre 46 firearms. Everything beyound that can go into Main Battle rifles or Red Rifles?
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Well said.
As a young and inexperienced milsurp collector, I do realize that there are other forums that provide excellent information about milsurps besides CGN, but one of the things I like about CGN (besides the the EE) is the fact that there IS a different mindset between the seperate categories, as well as a different audience. Sometimes when I feel like I'm in a mall ninja mood I try to make sense of what people in the black and green rifle forum are talking about. So many letters, numbers, and acronyms it makes my head spin. But that's not to say that there isn't tons of interesting information there! Call me a fudd if you will but everyone is entitled to a preference, hence why certain members spend more time in particular forums.
That's meWhoa, let's not jump overboard! I want to keep SVTs here but if the decision sticks it won't ruin the section. We'll still have Smellie, Louthepou, Nabs, Desporterizer, Buffdog, Cantom, Andy, SVT1940... Oh, damn, scratch SVT1940
Joce
I've posted my SVT in the Milsurp section before, and it was never broken for me. Always got the responses here I was looking for.
In fact, I've posted WW2 era pistols here as well, and gotten more input here than in the pistols forum.
I imagine there have been one or two others with the same experiences as well...
I think we in the Milsurp section police ourselves pretty good. I don't see alot of the hacking and fighting here that goes on in other areas of Gunnutz.
But it's not my forum. If the mods don't want to look at the numbers, that's fine. But I just can't help thinking that there are other battles to fight, rather than separating us collectors even further.
In fact, I've posted WW2 era pistols here as well, and gotten more input here than in the pistols forum.
I imagine there have been one or two others with the same experiences as well...
I think we in the Milsurp section police ourselves pretty good. I don't see alot of the hacking and fighting here that goes on in other areas of Gunnutz.
But it's not my forum. If the mods don't want to look at the numbers, that's fine. But I just can't help thinking that there are other battles to fight, rather than separating us collectors even further.
Also, the Red Rifles forum refers to rifles from the "Combloc" and "Warsaw Pact". These did not occur until after WW2 had passed and the Cold War started. As others have mentioned, SVTs were in use during WW2, while the Soviets were part of the Allied offensive, and not after WW2.
I can only see more confusion by fixing something (ie. moving SVTs to the RR forum) that wasn't really broken before.
I can only see more confusion by fixing something (ie. moving SVTs to the RR forum) that wasn't really broken before.
The SVT saw use after ww2 in the Warsaw Pact, until SKS and AK where available in number. Somes ended up to Cuba in the 50's,other find their way in Vietnam and fews other countries as well. I think that made the SVT a Red rifle as well as a milsurp. I belong in both forum, so whenever post are made in Red or milsurp section, its fine
Joce
Castro's Cuba did not get military aid from the Russians untill after the Revolution in 1959 and pretty much the same in Vietnam, by then the SVT was obsolete. During the earlier Indochina War most weapons used were captured colonial french ams or japanese WW2 left-overs. Do you have documentation proving large scale use of the SVT-40 after WW2, even as early as the Korean War they is little or no mention of use of the SVT.
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Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
All this talk of the SVT-40 has me thinking I may take the old girl out this Sunday for some target shooting.
She's been couped up far too long now
I love me some SVT-40!
She's been couped up far too long now
I love me some SVT-40!
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Instead of splitting hairs over what belong in the Red Rifles section,
I always thought the whole concept of a "red rifles" subsection to be redundant.
My 2 cents is that there are no "red rifles" in this country that were not military surplus.
Unless someone is importing, selling, owning, collecting Russian commercial hunting rifles I'm not aware of......
All 3 of my "red rifles" and my "red pistol" are old military issue surplus.
So why not just have them under Milsurp and do away with the confusion and thread moving etc?
I always thought the whole concept of a "red rifles" subsection to be redundant.
My 2 cents is that there are no "red rifles" in this country that were not military surplus.
Unless someone is importing, selling, owning, collecting Russian commercial hunting rifles I'm not aware of......
All 3 of my "red rifles" and my "red pistol" are old military issue surplus.
So why not just have them under Milsurp and do away with the confusion and thread moving etc?
The SVT saw use after ww2 in the Warsaw Pact, until SKS and AK where available in number. Somes ended up to Cuba in the 50's,other find their way in Vietnam and fews other countries as well. I think that made the SVT a Red rifle as well as a milsurp. I belong in both forum, so whenever post are made in Red or milsurp section, its fine
Joce
Although used in small numbers after WW2, the Red Rifles forum states "Evil Baby Eaters from the Combloc and the Warsaw Pact". I interpret that as rifles that were developed and issued/widely used during the Cold War. I don't want to split hairs, but most discussion of the provenance of the SVT revolves around WW2.
I agree with you that it should be allowed to be discussed in either forums, as I never saw a problem before.
Hi Curtton,
I mean no disrespect to the work that the mods do policing the forums (I really appreciate it actually) but really wonder what's the harm of letting people post about the SVT40 in either milsurp or RR forums. Neither choice would go off topic from the forum content and it's not as if CGN has some ISO certification dependent upon how thoroughly we categorize Imperial Russian or Soviet era firearms. I'm willing to stand corrected (and I'm not heavily invested in the decision either way) but it almost sounds like we're creating a problem where none really exists, kind of like what regulators in the civil service try to do with us all the time.
As a collector of Milsurp rifles, I would like to see the SVT-40 stay in the Milsurp forum. I rarely look at the Red Rifles forum, so I would miss posts about a rifle that I collect & shoot. The SVT-40 was a WWII production rifle so IMHO it should stay in the Milsurp forum. Thanks.
we get alot of reports from our members and most of the reports are to do threads not being in their right location , im not specificially talking about firearms but in general, everything, including EE and others, and i can understand why should members search two locations for info when they should be in one .
