svw45 Kriegsmodell

[Claven2]

I used to have an swp45 that looked very similar to this SVW. The latewar rifles are really interesting. Everything byf44 f-block and later out of MO is a study unto itself.

 

[Coyote Ugly]

In general and specifically, the one thing I really like about Early K98's over Late War K98's is that the Early K98's have just about everything numbered right down to the triggerguard lock screws, and that is difficult to change or fake.

On Late War with Un-numbered Parts: bands, triggerguard, stock, buttplate, etc, etc, you just never really know if it is original to the rifle or not.

I have seen several "Late War K98's" sell on various auctions and forums that were "Upgraded" from a "Bubba Sporter" to "All Matching" using premium un-numbered and correct parts, especially when the owner is looking for a particular un-numbered stock and posts his Bubba project, and then sells the rifle a few months later as an all matching bring back, with no mention of the restoration at all.

On some forums people come forward and say "I used to own that rifle several years ago" and say the bands and triggerguard were not like that when he owned it 20 years ago, implying it's been enhanced recently. Or a "Better" stock was put on to raise the value.

The Tricks of the Trade. It's Buyer Beware.

 

[Steve1987]

In general and specifically, the one thing I really like about Early K98's over Late War K98's is that the Early K98's have just about everything numbered right down to the triggerguard lock screws, and that is difficult to change or fake.

On Late War with Un-numbered Parts: bands, triggerguard, stock, buttplate, etc, etc, you just never really know if it is original to the rifle or not.

I have seen several "Late War K98's" sell on various auctions and forums that were "Upgraded" from a "Bubba Sporter" to "All Matching" using premium un-numbered and correct parts, especially when the owner is looking for a particular un-numbered stock and posts his Bubba project, and then sells the rifle a few months later as an all matching bring back, with no mention of the restoration at all.

On some forums people come forward and say "I used to own that rifle several years ago" and say the bands and triggerguard were not like that when he owned it 20 years ago, implying it's been enhanced recently. Or a "Better" stock was put on to raise the value.

The Tricks of the Trade. It's Buyer Beware.

I think the problem is not only fraud from the seller, but also that as soon as someone posts any junk/rebuilt/fake K98k as "all-matching vet bringback" with a few blurry photos there's always a crowd of naive buyers lined up to take it without further inspection.

Maybe for some people it's more important to believe they have the real thing than actually researching?

This of course has nothing to do with Jeremy's excellent svw45, that clearly has matching wear patterns, patina, and comes from an extremely reliable source who has done a detailed hands on inspection.

-Steve

 

[Coyote Ugly]

I think the problem is not only fraud from the seller, but also that as soon as someone posts any junk/rebuilt/fake K98k as "all-matching vet bringback" with a few blurry photos there's always a crowd of naive buyers lined up to take it without further inspection.

Maybe for some people it's more important to believe they have the real thing than actually researching?

-Steve

Exactly.

The bottom line - It can be a minefield with Latewar with no serial numbers, where as with Early there's just no guessing.

You can build with "Correct" parts for late war yesterday and it appears to be period and factory installed (1944, 1945). But you can't do that with Early and that's the difference,
The Unknown Grey Area of the K98 Twilight Zone!

 

[jbmauser]

Nice rifle. Does the absence of the H for Heer on the butt indicate it was never issued or was the practice stopped late in the war?

External stock marking patterns varied quite a bit from maker to maker. MO dropped the H sometime in 41 from what I can tell while others used it right up till the end.

 

[jbmauser]

Exactly.

The bottom line - It can be a minefield with Latewar with no serial numbers, where as with Early there's just no guessing.

You can build with "Correct" parts for late war yesterday and it appears to be period and factory installed (1944, 1945). But you can't do that with Early and that's the difference,
The Unknown Grey Area of the K98 Twilight Zone!

I agree. With a high quality restoration it can be pretty hard to tell if everything is original or not. Clear pics, a good knowledge of what to look for, and a reputable seller are all important.

I have absolutely no doubts about the authenticity of my svw45 because of the things Steve mentioned. Wear patterns, patina, and knowing where it came from, leave no doubts that it is as legit as they come.

 

[student of history]

I'd already seen it!

Its actually old news. I've known for months and saw it 6 weeks ago! Hahah

I'm kind of late to this thread so I'll just echo Andrew. I've probably congratulated Jeremy 5 or 6 times already on this rifle already but hell, I'll make it CGN official. Great rifle buddy!

 

[drm3m]

What a great piece Jeremy. Congrats!

Although this STG44 dated 45 phosphate finished gun does not belong to me I thought that I would post it .

Same period in time as your svw 45 Kreigsmodell with the phosphate finish.

This gun belongs to a CGN member.

It is Sauer assembled.

David



STG44 with a 45 receiver date.

 

[jbmauser]

Thanks for posting that David! That is a spectacular STG44!

I'm adding a few more pics of the svw45. A couple I forgot to take before and a couple I redid.