Swedish M-94 Restoration Project Part 2 W/ Pics

Drachenblut

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Hello All,

Well the first run of this thread was a little rocky, and it's totally my fault. I did not provide pictures.

Basically, gents, I am looking for help and advice, and possibly someone to do the work, to restore this M-94 to original military config. The barrel seems untouched, and is matching to the bolt and reciever. The floorplate matches, the buttplate does not though. The stock is not matching for numbers, but I do not know if the Swedes matched stocks to rifles, or had a set numbering for stocks themselves? I have a few pictures here, and many more of the parts. In the interest of not bogging this forum down with pictures, anyone who wants more or who thinks they can seriously help me out, is welcome to request the rest of the pics via PM and subsequent e-mail.

Some details:

Made by Carl Stad Gevarsfaktori in 1898.
Very low 4 digit serial number **45
Bolt totally matching to itself and to reciever.
Good Bore, no major pitting and only a tad dark in the grooves with strong rifling.
Leather sling attachment seems original
Stock disk has been ground clean at some point, was this done by military or by a private owner? Opinions? The only thing left is a hint of a swedish C or crown, not sure.

Here is what I am hoping: to either find a new stock with nosecap and wood for an M-94 or M-94/14( or 15), take some kind of old stock and chop it down, dovetailing/finger jointing the wood into the stock, and getting a new nosecap (similar to the Finnish fingerjoint on their modded Mosins).

Thanks for your time and for looking, comments encouraged!

Yours,
Drachenblut

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Friend Drachenblut, the really high s/n on your wood indicates to me that the wood has been replaced in the past, using woodwork from a Model 96.

If you check the TRADEX link (tan colour) at the top of this page, you will find that they have several chopped 96 stocks available for various silly prices.... and a couple are still long enough to make a proper Carbine stock from.

At THIS kind of remove in time, you're not going to just happen into another carbine stock, so the choice is modding something (already wrecked) which a Svedish armourer would approve of.... of just having a brand-new one made from scratch, which will cost serious bucks. I think modding an existing (slightl chopped) 96 stock would be the best way to go.

They have a few, starting about 35 bucks.

Good luck!

This one is a treasure for sure.
 
Hello Smellie,

Well, it looks I would have to do alot of woodwork. Maybe getting an old semi-full length stock and cutting it down to fit. But putting a band and nosecap, and the woodwork I am NOT qualified to do. So. Help guys? Come on I'm just a student I have no wood shop!
 
Well,for what it's worth,I've yet to see a 96 or 38 with a through stock rear sling like yours. The finger groove seems shorter as well.
Grafting on new forend wood seems simpler than machining the mortise for rear sling. Finding walnut not too different in colour may be a challenge. Most times old walnut gets lighter in colour when stripped and sanded, often a lot.
Tradeex has hand guards.
Can't recall offhand if the carbine nosecap was unique to m94, but if you can use m96 front end parts, I'd happily give you end cap and barrel bands for postage.
 
I did see a Carbine once that was made up in 1943 on the Model 38 action (identical mechanically to the 96). That one had essentially a shortened rifle stock. Barrel length was about 17 inches and it used the front band/bayonet stud and so forth of a regular 96/38 rifle. It was said to be one of a lot of about 100 that were turned out for the royal bodyguard cavalry. It was seriously pretty, too, perfect bore.

A friend bought it and I think there is a chance it might still be in this part of the world. If I can find it, I'll take some snaps.

There is an old story about a sculptor which may apply here. The old sculptor was asked what was the secret of his wonderful art. When he replied, he said simply, "I just get an idea in my mind and then I pick up a piece of stone and I cut off everything that doesn't look like what I am thinking about." Could be a point to think about regarding stocks.
 
Drachenblut said:
Hello Smellie,

Well, it looks I would have to do alot of woodwork. Maybe getting an old semi-full length stock and cutting it down to fit. But putting a band and nosecap, and the woodwork I am NOT qualified to do. So. Help guys? Come on I'm just a student I have no wood shop!
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Neat rifle. Once you fine the metal parts, having the wood done shouldn't be a problem. Any qualified cabinet maker sould be able to cut the reliefs for you. You'll be happier with the results.
 
Semllie,

The M/38 uses the M/94 "action", wich means a bent bent handle, while the M/96 have a straight bolt handle.

Drachenblut,
Your best chance to find a nose cap may be zeE-Bay, or other auction sites, but be prepared to spend some good $$$ to get one. Stocks are also once in a while advertized, but again, be prepared to empty your bank account....
The M/94 stocks have a different finger groove (starting at front ring / behind the handguard start) than the other models, and there are quite a lot of fakes on the market using M/38 stocks. The stock you have was borrowed from a 1942 M/38 Husqvarna-made rifle.
Re-making the carbine would be much simpler and less expensive if you use M/38 parts, making it some in sort of M/94-38 (wich does not exist) then, maybe, over the years, will you find the rest of the correct parts to rebuild it in it's real dress. At least, that way, you will be able to shoot it, too.
 
Hello.

Well I have an update. I have secured a complete M-38 Stock with top wood and other parts, I just need to get the proper nose cap etc. How much conversion between the M-38 and my metal will I need to do? I thought the M-38 was much longer a barrel?

Thanks for the continued help
 
try turning the disc over to see if it's marked on the other side. Also, these are not the same discs as seen on an M96. You have the earlier type, normally marked to a regiment.
 
I just wonder what the clown was thinking by butchering the stock on a rifle that was ALREADY short. If you get around to firing it, make sure you have a DAMM GOOD set of ear protectors. Been there, done that.
Owned one around 50 years ago and they are LOUD!!!! I just wonder how many DEAF Swedish cavalrymen there were.
 
You will have to cut and re-carve the M/38 wood, of course - you will have to cut about 2.5" of the M/38 stock to clear the front sight. The nose ends are really different, but unless you are very, very lucky, and secure one M/94 nosecap, using the M/38 end barrel band will be the closest you might be.
The main difference between both ends are; the M/94 have sight "ear protectors" and encloses the barrel end; the M/38 will not enclose the barrel but will lay behind the front sight.
 
Stocking a Swede mod 94: PICS UP

I have done this job using a spare stock I had for a model 38, will try to get pics up later. Claven 2 is right about the stock disc it appears to be the correct one but may be turned around, save it. I used the barrel bands from the model 38 stock, did not have a correct nose cap from a 94. Reshaping the stock takes a little time and the handguard should be shortened to fit correctly around the rear sight. I did mine a few years back, winter project.
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I just wonder what the clown was thinking by butchering the stock on a rifle that was ALREADY short
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A clown with a wife who wears a parka or a kid that was expected to add to the family larder. there is a good chance that the rifle had a purpose and that purpose was as admirable and legitimate as storing a prisitine collectible. ( Not many decades ago swedes were 29.99 in the surplus flyer that came from toronto)

Great little rifle as is and will be neat to see when it is reclothed. Since it is a handloading proposition anyway with some thought I bet you can come up with a load that does'nt leave half the powder to burn outside the bore. i.e you can probabley keep the noise to a minimum.

Now you just need a swede cartridge belt and one of thier fantastic wool tunics. Gonna kill a moose with it this fall?
 
Ok gents. The stock disk is not flipped around, so looks like it was ground. Since you've done it before, b72471, would you be interested in doing the woodwork on my carbine for me by any chance? I would hope it could be done in a month or less?

Seriously I could use some help with it. I have literally no tools, just a small toolkit to dissassemble with, as I moved from college so I have a bare minimum. I have already the die set and case trimmer for 6.5X55, I was told to cook up a load using IMR 4918 or something like that, supposed to be a really fast burning powder.
 
Your stock is an original 94 stock (mismatched to your action tho)- the 5 digit serial number confirms that. The short finger groove as well as the recess for the sling buckle and the butt plate is also indicative of a 94 stock.

The 96 and 38's finger grooves are too long; their butt plates are different and the inletting for the 94 bbl is also different. The actions are basically the same and will fit into a 38 or 96 stock.

Parts are very very hard to come by. The "rabbit ear" nose pieces are the "heart' of this rifle and they come either by themselves or with an attached underpiece of metal that was retro-fitted to allow for the blade type bayonet (that is also relatively expensive and hard to find)

Yours is a very nice find - but re-furbing it will require $$$ and the haunting of gunshows for pieces and bits.

The rifles can go for $1000+ complete. Too bad that sooo many were sporterized back in the 50s when they sold for $20 or so.

I have not found that the 38 or 96 stock can readily be converted to the 94 - especially if you want it to look correct.
 
BTW - the nose piece is only from a M94. Its different from the 96 and 38. The M94 side sling / band has a side ring compared to the bottom ring of the 96 or 38.

Also, while the front handguard band spring is basically the same as the 38 or 96, the 94 front band (or nose piece) spring is generally a more rounded and thinner band spring with (generally with the re-furbs for the bayonet) a retaining screw that holds it from the inside of the bbl channel - again - only from a M94

And while the 96 or 38 handguard may be made to fit - they are too long in length, and the hole for the rear sight is too large as the M94 used a shorted rear sight platform.

Yes - I have worked on more than a few of these to my dismay. But - it keeps me out of the bar. hahahahaha

good luck with your project
 
6.5x55 is not a handloading-only round. Plenty of factory hunting ammo out there.
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yep there sure is and I am a big proponent of all the european loads especially the norma offerings but I was pretty sure drach would be rolling his own for this rifle.

Gonna be a lot nicer rifle if he launches a 160 grain bullet at 2200fps with a fast powder then using Normas 156 at 2450-2650fps! And of course it would be a bastardization beyond stock cutting to feed a restored 94 with 140 grain remington crap!
 
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