Swedish Mauser vs. Llungeman

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Pardon my spelling on "Llungeman"... It's one of those days where no matter how you type it it looks wrong...

But anyway. I love the 6.5mm bullets. The swedes make beautiful guns and beautiful women. Just want to know what people think about the Swedish Mauser vs. that ###y beast - the AG42. I will be buying both... the question... which one first?

In my opinion...

Swedish Mauser: more for accuracy
AG42: accurate, but more for the "hot ### wrapped in wood" appeal

I think i'd go with the AG42 simply because they're going at a good price right now. I have a feeling as soon as a video game comes out that uses the AG42 extensively, the price will sky-rocket.

I remember the M1 Garand selling at S.I.R for $149.99 :(
 
AG 42 first. Damn man the cheapest I remember Garands were 349.99 from Century arms, an Indian FAL was a 100.00 and you get a chrome 25acp for 50.00. The good old days. Buy all this with a paper FAC.
 
brewmech said:
AG 42 first. Damn man the cheapest I remember Garands were 349.99 from Century arms, an Indian FAL was a 100.00 and you get a chrome 25acp for 50.00. The good old days. Buy all this with a paper FAC.
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Unfortunately I was about 10 years old when the Garand's were 149.99, and my dad didn't have an FAC... A 10 year old with his eye on a Garand. I was a good boy!
 
The Ljungmans were around $80 at United Army Surplus when I was in high school. It was my first rifle I bought for deer hunting. Cheapest semi auto you could get. Norma had hunting ammo that was expensive, and Imperial had ammo for them at that time. It was a good shooter, not as accurate as the M96 I bought later, but pretty good. I like to shoot it by holding the front hand on the mag, and resting my elbow against my rib cage. Made for a steady hold.
 
Ljungman! There's the spelling I'm looking for!

My favourite thing about it is that you don't have worry about people getting their greasy mitts on it because if you don't already know how to work the action, it's a bit tricky to figure out. I like the idea of being the only person who can physically operate my guns... Like Biff Tannon and his car that only he could start in Back to the Future!
 
...LOL My first deer rifle was my good 'ol AG-42B. In those days you could hunt with a 10rd. Mag. Both are great, older, rifles in a fantastic caliber. Hunting Ammo came way down in $'s when Win. and, Rem. started pressing softpoints. (The Norma's I bought, way back when, were 40$'s...the first Rem I bought was $14.40!)
 
shot lots of animals with 6.5x55 . the bolt is better if you want to scope it. the semi's are great all around . watch your fingers in the action...
 
I've owned a bunch of Ljungmans, and you are right about the appeal - Quote: "hot ### wrapped in wood", lol.
I sold my last one after reading the thread about milsurps most likely gun to go 'ka-boom'. I understand quite a few people have had blow-ups...?
 
The Ljungman (translates as 'thumb remover' :p ) is okay for 'volley fire', but a bolt action 6.5x55 is a recipe for accuracy. :D
 
Smokepole said:
I've owned a bunch of Ljungmans, and you are right about the appeal - Quote: "hot ### wrapped in wood", lol.
I sold my last one after reading the thread about milsurps most likely gun to go 'ka-boom'. I understand quite a few people have had blow-ups...?
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The way I see it... If you're shooting an old milsurp, as long as you clean it and oil it regularly, it shouldn't blow up on you! Like anything, it just needs to be loved!

I only hunt will milsurps, unless it's coyote hunting with my .223. I like the challenge of lugging around a 10 pound rifle. If the vets had to do it day in day out for so many years, there's no reason I can't do it for a few hours. My oldest milsurps are both 1943's. An enfield no3 mk1 and M1 and they are solid!
 
private_pile said:
Unfortunately I was about 10 years old when the Garand's were 149.99, and my dad didn't have an FAC... A 10 year old with his eye on a Garand. I was a good boy!
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So when were you 10 years old? Garands haven't been $150 for as long as I've been looking at them, and that's about 40 years.
 
I remember when Lever Arms Services had M96's stacked like cord-wood on the floor of the shop. And if you bought a case of AG42b's, Mr. Lever would give you a deal and let you keep the box!
I think there were only 6 in the case because myself and a buddy could carry the case out the door, and load it on a city bus to take it to the ferry.
The Norma 6.5x55 ammo was so spendy and rare (on Vancouver Island anyway) that it made sense for me to use all the range-pick-up .270, .30-'06, and 8x57 brass I could find and make 6.5 cases. What a chore! Anneal, then neck-down and press back the shoulder, shorten, ream, re-anneal, final size and then trim to exact length.
My goodness, I'd spend days cranking-out cases, then reloading them (with surplus H4831) and as often as not... losing them in the grass. None of us recovered many cases, the Ljungman already flings the brass pretty good and with the slow powder the port pressure was really high... so extra fling-age!
 
private_pile said:
The way I see it... If you're shooting an old milsurp, as long as you clean it and oil it regularly, it shouldn't blow up on you! Like anything, it just needs to be loved!

I only hunt will milsurps, unless it's coyote hunting with my .223. I like the challenge of lugging around a 10 pound rifle. If the vets had to do it day in day out for so many years, there's no reason I can't do it for a few hours. My oldest milsurps are both 1943's. An enfield no3 mk1 and M1 and they are solid!
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Not so... some designs are more prone to failure.

BTW - old guns don't scare me. Your WW2 stuff is modern compared to a lot of the guns I shoot.
 
jethunter said:
So when were you 10 years old? Garands haven't been $150 for as long as I've been looking at them, and that's about 40 years.
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Hard to believe eh? Well I'm 24 years old now. I'm telling you, when I was around 10 S.I.R brought in an order of M1 Garands. I'm sure I still have that flyer around somewhere. $149.99 for the rifle. I'm sure that flyer would have the same effect on most gun lovers as a hustler magazine.

My friend convinced his dad to buy him one. It was a Breda model, dated sometime in the 50's. I don't know if they were all Breda's or what, but they were definitely 149.99!

They sold out. I asked when they would be coming in again, he said he wasn't sure and that they'd probably be around $400. I guess that was when they started going up in price.
 
jethunter said:
So when were you 10 years old? Garands haven't been $150 for as long as I've been looking at them, and that's about 40 years.
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You must have been looking in the wrong place!
Lever Arms had 2 containers of Danish lend-lease ones about 14 years ago, for $150 each, or 4 for $500. I bought 2, should have bought 12!
 
Pathfinder said:
Buy Both but use the Bolt action as your hunting rifle.
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Well said.

And trying to find the brass in the bush after a Ljungman ejects them 20 meters forward and to the right is a pain in the ass. :D

And best results from this caliber in the original sights are with reloads IMHO so one can match a premium bullet with a load closest to the point of impact the iron sights were set to.

BTW if you get a Ljungman make sure you get the tool/parts kit that should go with it.

And...

"DO NOT CLICK or fire THE GUN when it is striped! It will destroy the gun."
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http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/fieldstripp/stripp_ag42.htm
 
This Garand urban legend is true.In the mid 1990's Lever Arms had them for as little as $99.00
for `bottom of the crate' examples.I remember because I bought a Chinese SKS from SIR at that time for 20.00 more instead because I was unsure of the shootability of the Garands.I wish now I had bought one as a Chinese SKS is still only worth $120.00(despite what the EE asks) and even a crappy Garand would bring a lot more than $99.00
 
Ag42 B rifles had problems with their firing pins being to long. They also broke quite a few and on top of that when the first rifles came in, they came with a little tin of spare parts. The parts included were firing pins, extractors, springs and plungers. That should tell you something about them.
The Ag42 B rifles were just as accurate as the bolt actions, if they were in excellent condition throughout.
I had one go KABOOM, almost took my leg off when the mag was blown off. The cause was some milsurp ammo I picked up from International, there was a recall on it later along with some 7.62x51 from Argentina. The ammunition had been improperly stored and was all marked as being reformed. It also was rumored to have been loaded with the wrong primers. International, gave me a new rifle and 2000 rounds of new manufacture ammunition as replacement.
I hate the Liberals for driving that company from Canada. Marstar is trying but just doesn't get in the selection that Century does in its new home in Virginia.
 
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