Swift Scirocco, how good are they?

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I am thinking of using these in my new 270. I guess the new ones are called Scirocco II.

Who has shot animals with these?
How did they perform?
Do they seem accurate?

I have some 130 gr scirocco's that came with my new rifle, with the bonded core they look like a great bullet for mulie/ sheep/ whitetail/ black bear and maybe a well placed shot on an elk.

Any reviews and Swift loading data for the 270 with 130 gr bullets would be appreciated.

Brambles
 
I like them. I find them to be just as accurate as the Nosler Ballistic Tips.

Here is a pic of the only Scirocco I have ever recovered.

180 Grain Scirocco launched @ 2840 fps from my 30-06. (Impact velocity ~ 2550 fps)
Mule deer buck ~250 pounds
Shot was from ~340 yards and hit the buck - which was quartering towards me - centre of the chest. Bullet was recovered in the off side rear "ham"
Recovered bullet weighed 147 grains. (82%)

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Brambles said:
nice mushroom!!!

especially for 340 yards. How much bone was hit?

Not much. The brisket on the way in, out through the back ribs, and then it traveled under the hide to end up resting against the femur of the rear leg. Swift claimed these bullets will expand to near full diameter down to 1700 fps impact velocity.


The newer Sciroccos are supposed to be a tad harder with a thicker jacket and are supposed to perform more like the Accubond. Also they are designed to retain a bit more weight. I however personally like the original with the soft lead core. After the initial expansion the lead and jacket fold back tightly around the base leaving a fairly small diameter face that penetrated deeply.
 
I have had no luck getting them to shoot well in my rifles.In two of my rifles,they provide the worst accuracy of all bullets tried.In all cases ,copper fouling is extreme.
 
i have taken a blackie at 25 yds and a muley at 240 yrds. both 180 grn out of my 300 wsm. haven't recovered a bullet yet but both animals just dropped on the spot. acuracy is awsome out of my tikka t3.
 
If you have a rough bore or a build up of gilding metal from conventional bullets yes fouling can be bad. You MUST remove all other jacket fouling as it is harder than the pure copper jackets Swift uses. (This is the same problem a lot of people have with the Barnes X-bullets)

Also I have found the Scirocco likes a bit of a jump to the lands. Seating them tight to the rifling usually results in so-so accuracy.
 
I got them to shoot well out of my 30-06, but after shooting a Bull moose in the onside shoulder at 225 yards and recovering what was left of the bullet back in the opposite side lung, I decided to go back to my mainstay bullet. The 180 Scirocco, started at 2850 weighed just over 100 grains and was completely turned inside out. Only reason it weighed as much as it did was the adhesion of the lead core to the jacket due to the bonding. Granted, it did the job, but I dread to think what it would have looked like had that shot been taken with my 30-338!! Perhaps the new version may be a bit tougher, but the older version seemed a bit soft to me. Regards, Eagleye.
 
only time I've tried the Scirrocos was in my 30-06 m700 Ti, 150 gr. bullets

they shot 1.2" groups at best



probably a good deer/sheep bullet though. I never did kill anything with that rifle last fall
 
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If you have a rough bore or a build up of gilding metal from conventional bullets yes fouling can be bad. You MUST remove all other jacket fouling as it is harder than the pure copper jackets Swift uses. (This is the same problem a lot of people have with the Barnes X-bullets)

This was out of very clean, high quality, hand lapped ,aftermarket barrels.The barnes tsx shoots great in the same rifles.
 
scirocco's

I use rem factory scirroco 150g 7mm mag loads in my rifle. I am getting 1/2" groups at 100yds, so I don't see any point to reloading for it.
 
martinbns said:
I haven't tried them, mostly due to he cost, they are very expensive compared to even the Barnes TSX.


???

The Scirocco in 30 calibre 180 grain are $60.00 per 100 - 60 cents each.

The 180 grain 30 calibre TSX is $42.00 per 50 - 84 cents each - or in other words close to 20% more than the Swift.

If your local guy is charging more for the Swifts than the Barnes then he is screwing you.
 
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IIRC I paid $60 for 100 Scirroco (150 gr 30 cal)

Triple Shocks are $82 / 100 bullets (150 gr. 30cal)

BUT

Accubonds are $50/100

and Interbonds $40/100

I dont see any advantage in using the Swift. I only got them because there was no Accubonds in stock :redface:


 
i shot a blackbear uphill at 25 yds with a 300 wsm 180 grn. went up thru the neck and vertbre, very dead bear no bullet to recover. on buchering the meat i found a couple of copper flecks but no chuncks. i had to assume it exited with all its original weight. lots of destroyed bone.
 
Pasted 175 pound (field dressed) whitetail whilst running away w/Scirocco. 'Twas a 150 grain .30-06, with range of 165 yards according to my rangefinder after the shot was taken & things calmed down. One of those embarrassing "bore another one" shots, aimed at a hastily retreating white flag. Entered in right ham, slid up the inside of the ribcage, then blew a hardball size hole out of the centre of the brisket on the way out. The bullet did not hit too much bone other than breaking the rear leg bone on the way through the ham, and did NOT destroy an abundance of the hind quarter. The deer slid to an abrupt stop on it's chin right after the hit. Bullet was not recovered. Accuracy is excellent, i.e. 1.25MOA out of 18.5" bbl remington pump, a gun not typically associated with stunning accuracy. In the .270 bolt action I once owned, accuracy with 130 grain Sciroccos was much better than in the pump gun. In my guns, bullets are seated as long as possible without touching the lands and still fitting (barely) into the magazine box.

From my perspective, who really cares if you pay 80 cents or 30 cents for a hunting bullet for big game?? Is it worth fussing over whether 100+ pounds of meat in the freezer, or a once in a lifetime trophy came to you at the overinflated cost of an extra half a buck? Who in North America shoots so many big game animals in a season to worry about the cost of the bullets, or shoots their quarry so full of holes to the point of driving a cost inefficiency? (spray & pray maybe?) :)

On the target range, in a target gun where high volume shooting is the norm, then bullet cost DOES very much matter to me, but alas, we're discussing hunting bullets here. My criteria is really about accuracy and terminal perfomance with hunting bullets. Terminal performance must exist as table stakes, then I gravitate to the most accurate bullet for a particular gun so I can be assured that I can deliver that terminal performance where it's needed.

I bought some TBBCs at a frightfully expensive premium, and when I got home, I realized that there are only 25 bullets in the box!!!! My first reaction was to faint at the realization, but then I took a deep breath and applied some perspective and rationalization. If they turn out to be stellar in the accuracy dept, and if their terminal performance turns out to be great, then I'll go back and buy some more without a second thought to the cost, although I won't shoot them beyond load development and sight-in.

So far, on whitetails, (almost all shot quite close, i.e. under 50 yards) I've had good luck with .30-06 150 grain Barnes X & XBT, Sciroccos, and even the lowly Winchester power point and silver tip. The Winchesters out of a .30-06 were the only bullets I've ever recovered, and were perfectly mushroomed. A friend in my hunt camp once shot a deer broadside at 15 yards with a .30-06 150 grain winchester silver tip, only to discover that he really shot 2 broadside, 1st with one broken shoulder and second lung shot, with the bullet ending up perfectly mushroomed under the far side hide of the deer standing behind the 1st - (thank god for lots of doe tags while party hunting in Ontario!) I've had 2 150 grain Sierra Gamekings driven hard out of a 7mm rem mag that completely blew up into bits at 75 yards on 2 broadside deer, (consecutive seasons) the jackets stuck in the far side hide, with the lead core exiting and likely somewhere in the next county after breaking the shoulder each time.

To all: Sorry about the long winded post, but this is a subject that really interests me!
 
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The feedback above is exactly what I had experienced in my 300 RUM loaded with factory 180's. Accuracy was poor and just didn't install a whole lot of confidence at 3400 FPS muzzle velocity. A 100 hit on a moose's front shoulder could completely fold it inside out. Even at reduced volocity from a 30-06 over 300 yards away with the same 180 grain....look at it WOW! Now add another 300 -400 FPS to that pill....not much left I'd figure
 
I have only shot 1 3x4 blacktail/mule deer cross during the rut 2 years ago with a 180gr Scirroco @ a muzzle velocity of 3380fps from my s/s Rem 700 300 RUM.

The deer stepped out in front of me at about 80 yards, it then turn uphill and started trotting towards me with it's head lowered very low and through the scope I could see it's nose sniffing like crazy. At about 40 yards it turned slightly to it's right giving me a shot finally.

My shot hit it in the chest just in front of the left leg with the shot angling upwards into the spine between the shoulder blades.

Obviously the deer dropped on the spot. :eek:

There was surprisingly little bruising at the bullets point of entry, the spine was broken into many smaller pieces but the weird thing was that there was no exit wound and I could not find a trace of the bullet anywhere.

Anyway thats my story and I'm sticking to it........ :D
 
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