Swiss Arms range report. *updated*

J996

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Finally got me a used classic green to play with to see what one of these can do.

Rifle: Shooting Edge Classic Green mid 2000's serial # OEM as issued. 1:10 Barrel.
Ammo used: American Eagle AE223J (Black box) 55gr FMJBT.
Conditions: BC, Mountain valley (elev unknown), zero wind, shooting slightly uphill.
Targets: Fig 11.
Range: 200, 278 and 100 meters.
All shooting was done from the prone unsupported (on elbows) holding at top part of magazine ( like holding the mag well on C7 or AR).
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Decided to sight her in at 200 meters since the peep sights start there. So I set Ivan up at 200m up the hill.
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I then set the drum to 2 and shot off 10 rounds to see where the sights were at. Result was a 10 shot group the size of my fist on Ivan's right shoulder. High and left. After a few adjustments and some messing around I had everything zeroed in and was hitting just above the sight post.
Once dialed in I fired 2 five shot groups, slow fire prone. One at Ivan's face, the other at center mass (Fig 11's wrist).
One went a bit low. Knew I pulled one before I even walked up to check.
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Was much happier with my center mass grouping (the flyer was a bad trigger pull on my part) .
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The trigger on this rifle was outstanding for a stock service rifle, wow:eek:
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Next I moved the target all the way up the hill to the treeline as far back as I could get it. It lased at 278 when I got to the bottom and moved the mat back a bit more. Set the drum to 3 and fired off 20 rounds then hiked it back up there. 19 out of 20, all spread through the center. Nice rifle:D!!

I then brought everything down to 100m (drum back to 2) to see what I could get out of her for a grouping. Fired two 3 shot groups.
The first: Just over 1 1/2"
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The 2nd: Just about 1 1/4"
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In closing this rifle shot really well and with cheap ammo at that. I will have to get some of that RUAG stuff and see just what its capable of. I had read about forend pressure affecting accuracy so decided not to bother with the bipod.
Would be interesting to see how the actual stgw90 lays down fire using the bipod though hehe:evil: Craftsmanship is amazing, built like a tank, very, very nice rifles indeed!!:) I also love how it launches brass 20 feet into the bush, never to be seen again haha.

10 shot group update

Tried shooting some 10 shot groups at 100m today with the Classic Green. The result: Fail. My 10 shot groups at 100m were similar in size or worse than my 5 shot groups at 200m. When examining the targets it became clear the problem was me not being able to hold the exact same position and point of aim after the mag change. All my attempts ended up as two 5 shot groups halfway overlapping each other. I decided this experiment was best left to the benchrest shooters and moved the target back to the usual 200m mark. I now have a few mags for this rifle so I fired off 50 rounds at a rate of about 1 every 2 seconds and counted 49 holes in the target afterward. Was a little grumpy about missing one but it was a fun day nonetheless. If it helps for a comparison I find I shoot about the same with this rifle as I do with the C7. Was going to hike the target way up to the 320M point on the other hill but it was getting dark so I packed it in.
So as usual when shooting for groupings: 3 shot groups are spectacular, 5 shot groups are good, 10 shot groups look like buckshot.
 
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Veyr nice.
The Ruag will show difference once you open past 250 and more. If you can find the 62gr K100/M855 from TSE that will do in a pinch and for a lot less $$$. Under 200, anything 55gr will do too.
 
American Eagle Tactical? Is this stuff new? Any good? Never seen it before.
 
American Eagle Tactical? Is this stuff new? Any good? Never seen it before.

I bought a thousand AE and thats what showed up. Never seen it before either.
Searched the net for info and found this:
h ttp://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1257298
Guy used a chrony and is of the opinion its better than red box.
It certainly impressed me how it shot from my rifle.
 
I bought a thousand AE and thats what showed up. Never seen it before either.
Searched the net for info and found this:
h ttp://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1257298
Guy used a chrony and is of the opinion its better than red box.
It certainly impressed me how it shot from my rifle.

Yeah the red box is so so from my Swiss Carbine. The drum site is nice to use huh.
 
Yeah the red box is so so from my Swiss Carbine. The drum site is nice to use huh.

do you guys have issues focusing with the drum sight in the open position? I can't seem to focus on the rear and the front at the same time, I don't know how to explain it - the flip up BUIS on my SR22 are much easier to focus for me
 
do you guys have issues focusing with the drum sight in the open position? I can't seem to focus on the rear and the front at the same time, I don't know how to explain it - the flip up BUIS on my SR22 are much easier to focus for me

Don't focus on the rear, just look through it and focus on the front sight only.
Your eye automatically centers it.
You also need consistent eye relief. I put a very small drop of superglue on the stock that I can feel with my cheek when lining up.
EDIT- a small narrow strip of gun tape works also (superglue not good for resale;)).
 
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do you guys have issues focusing with the drum sight in the open position? I can't seem to focus on the rear and the front at the same time, I don't know how to explain it - the flip up BUIS on my SR22 are much easier to focus for me

I only use position two and up. Dont like the open position, its better with the tritiums popped up though
 
Don't expect much from RUAG from TSE you want GP90 not the 223 ruag tse sells its not accurate in these rifles.
 
Nice for irons! Be good to see some deliberate 10 round groups at 100.
I'll try that next time I get out and post it here. Very difficult to hold position and remain perfectly still though a string that long though. The problem will be the mag change which will cause me to shift ever so slightly while reloading.
Think my best bet will be to try using some type of rest right back by the mag well and have a buddy carefully change the mag for me so I stay locked in steady with minimal movement throughout the string.

Don't expect much from RUAG from TSE you want GP90 not the 223 ruag tse sells its not accurate in these rifles.
Good to know. I was gonna order some from them. Where can a guy get GP90 ammo?
 
Captain Paul - If I'd known your roomie was "rich as a pair of fake t**s" I'd have asked for more cash LOL ! You boys will be happy - its enroute already :)
 
Captain Paul - If I'd known your roomie was "rich as a pair of fake t**s" I'd have asked for more cash LOL ! You boys will be happy - its enroute already :)

ahahahahahahahahha!!!

Lack of better words bud! lol can;t wait till it shows up... you'll be happy with the M1A, I'll give her a serious cleaning tomorrow before shipping!
 
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