iamcanadianeh
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I'm curious, does anyone know the approximate number of Swiss Arms rifles in Canada? TSE JR?
Swiss Arms rifles being examined for reclassification?
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In the another thread someone said it was over 1000.
I didn't really read whole thread. I had a more generic question. If for instance a gun went from non restricted to prohibited what would that mean? I understand at that point no one else can buy them but what would be the rules for people who own them? Would you be able to further hunt like a non restricted? Or would it be made like a restricted and only used at the range?
Prohib, means if you get caught with it, into the hotel... I mean jail you go. Legally you are expected to turn them in to the popo. If you kept it hidden away from the world no worries so long as you don't get caught, it was nr it never existed, if it's restricted to prohib, they will come for it.
Lol come take it. I spent $3000 on the xcr and accessories three days ago. Ill gladly go to jail then let someone steal my gun and then sell it to a 12 year old in some third world country to keep tribal wars going just so the same government who stole it from me can benefit from their oil and diamonds.
Unless you are one of the "lucky" 12.x license holder, or if you have the proper business licence, the sheer possession of a prohibited weapon is a criminal offence.
Don't they have a criteria that makes the gun prohibited? So then you can go and change that part or whatever to make it non prohibited again. For instance barrel length action whatever. You can't just say ya that gun looks scary it's not allowed.
Actually yes, yes they can. And they do from time to time.
If a gun is prohibited because its receiver is deemed a converted auto, since the gun is the receiver, there's no switching anything. Best you could do is keep the rest of the parts in hopes that a new receiver design gets cleared in the future.
Giving rise to another question; who owns em ?
Not that I for one minute believe the total destruction of LGR records actually took place but it was nonetheless by law supposed to. Do CFO's track down a firearm using records they cannot legally possess, thus breaking the law themselves ? If they do, can the RCMP get a conviction ? When confiscations have taken place in the past, was the confiscation facilitating LGR still in place ?
In this case it would be irrelevant what classification your license is (even if you have them ALL) there are no new registerable prohibs, therefore there are no classes into which these rifles can be placed. If prohibited, they WILL BE CONFISCATED, and if confiscated, they WILL BE DESTROYED - there is no other legal way of dealing with them. The prohib classes are effectively closed - this is about the 33rd time someone has had to say this. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT ANYONE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO LEGALLY OWN ONE OF THESE FIREAMS IF THEY ARE DECIDED TO BE PROHIBITED. THEY MUST BE CONFISCATED AND THEY MUST BE DESTROYED.
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I expect many would take this tack but you gotta know that, from that point on, your ATT's, PAL renewals, transfers, etc. are going to mysteriously develop slow motion and become otherwise problematic. Dirty tactics happen when the game gets dirty.
The simple solution ? Recognize a unique circumstance for what it is and issue a piece of paper akin to (or the same as) a 12.X. Attrition is a convenient government fall back and the only victims of such an action would be the present day 12.X holders not wanting their elite club adulterated in such a manner.
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In previous confiscations either the registry was in place, or the back door registry (the CFO's sales register) was used to track down the firearms.
AFAIK, if you are one of the few business with the proper paperwork, you CAN get those firearms. There was a guy with such privileges on the EE trying to acquire a newly prohibited BD-38. Moreover, there is definitively businesses out there manipulating and dealing new production prohib', How else could L.E./Military acquires their weapons from Canadian business ?
Hey it's your choice, you do what you want to do. I don't have a swiss, so for now this dilemma does not directly affect me. But at the same time it can happen to the cz858 next, so I don't like this notion of non res rifles randomly going prohib.
Don't think they can reclassify anything like SL8 XCR Tavor etc because they are not the variant of any prohibited by name either converted auto
First you got to understand the law RCMP lab and firearm center can't make the law. They can only enforce the law.
in order to change that they need to get new bill passed. So most likely not going to happen as long as the current blue party set on the chair
So under current bill C63 (Or 69 I forget the number but you know what I am talking about)
Only thing they can do is trying to prove its a converted auto not redesign civilian semi version
or it's the variant of anything on their black list which they made back to early 90s
The perfect example is the T97A been classfiy (reclassify ) as converted auto
but the new redesigned T97NSR now have been classfiy as non restricted because the semi auto only and can't be exchangad any full auto parts with T97A
I am glad that norinco was willing to challenge RCMP and try to make brand new design to make it work. Totally playing under their rules so Nothing they can do about it but give it a green light
The Swiss arm has both problems One is the 550 variant second is the converted auto
I am not sure If Swiss company was lazy to put brand new designed trigger on their earily classic green
and give the RCMP lab a chance to find a reason to classfiy as converted auto
First you got to understand the law RCMP lab and firearm center can't make the law. They can only enforce the law.
in order to change that they need to get new bill passed. So most likely not going to happen as long as the current blue party set on the chair
So under current bill C63 (Or 69 I forget the number but you know what I am talking about)
Only thing they can do is trying to prove its a converted auto not redesign civilian semi version
or it's the variant of anything on their black list which they made back to early 90s
The perfect example is the T97A been classfiy (reclassify ) as converted auto
but the new redesigned T97NSR now have been classfiy as non restricted because the semi auto only and can't be exchangad any full auto parts with T97A
I am glad that norinco was willing to challenge RCMP and try to make brand new design to make it work. Totally playing under their rules so Nothing they can do about it but give it a green light
The Swiss arm has both problems One is the 550 variant second is the converted auto
I am not sure If Swiss company was lazy to put brand new designed trigger on their earily classic green
and give the RCMP lab a chance to find a reason to classfiy as converted auto
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Originally Posted by HKMark23
I expect many would take this tack but you gotta know that, from that point on, your ATT's, PAL renewals, transfers, etc. are going to mysteriously develop slow motion and become otherwise problematic. Dirty tactics happen when the game gets dirty.
Understood, and just to clarify, I wasn't counseling anyone to knuckle under or not. "I'm just sayin,,."
It is very well established that the SAN rifle family we have here in Canada is not derived from the Sig 550, but rather the Sig 540. Both the PE-90 series of rifles and the Sig 550 are derived from the Sig 540.
Think of it this way....the Sig 540 is the mom and dad. The PE-90 and the Sig 550 are the children. The PE-90 and Sig 550 are related and do share commonalities, but neither is a variant of the other. They are variants of their (same) parent gun, the 540. More importantly, the PE-90 is the older child of the 550. So how it can it be a variant of something it predates?
Due to the rifles being cosmetically identical, sharing parts and even a manual in some cases.....don't you think that would have been the first thing the RCMP explored when this rifle was submitted for classification?
Someone made an overwhelming and irrefutable case for the PE-90s lineage 12 years ago. It's a non-issue.
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