Swiss Arms rifles being examined for reclassification?

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stickhunter said:
Appearance alone isn't sufficient proof that the Classic Green is a variant of the SG 550 since the Classic Green could have initially evolved from the SG 540 and then encorporated some of the characteristics of the SG 550 --- only SAN can really prove the later, though.
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This is also my belief since they let the FAMAE in as well which is based off the 540, so if the gun is a mishmash of a 540 based receiver and 550 "components", is it not therefore a 540? Like the FAMAE?
 
250rg said:
All SAN has to do is say it was designed of the 540 that's it. right?
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Not quite. The RCMP's letter is pretty clear about what is required from SAN:

... Also required is a definitive statement supported by factory drawings and official Swiss Arms AG signed documents that the firearms contained in List 2. are not variant or modified versions of the SG550 or SG551.
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TO CSC before post deleted.

refurbished as you posted. these came from SAN, S/A. I get it. i never said a F/A OR C/A came into Canada. i highly doubt a refurb'd F/A could/would go back.
the allegation was as i understand it the SAN was refurbishing used SIG rifles to S/A SAN? I'm not saying this is fact as i cant prove that either way.

BUT if these were X-MIL, that SAN converted. i doubt the RC will be happy (based on my experiences with them at least).

what is facts and what is speculation is yet to be seen. but it will come out one way or another.
PS anyone relying on SUN news should give their head a shake.
 
I sure hope the fate Swiss Arms family does not rest on TSE trip to Switzerland to Indiana Jonesesque find said PE-90 blueprints in the SAN archives.
Then again I have faith that if there are said records the swiss would have kept them but then again I expect they would have been found by now and no need for a trans atlantic trip.
 
TV-PressPass said:
5) Is there a deadline for such documentation? Have you received any from either Canadian or Swiss businesses?

"There is no deadline for this documentation"
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Thanks for asking the questions, TV-PressPass, but as usual the bureaucrats are good at answering without saying anything. However, isn't the above answer contradictory to what was written by William Etter:

... If we have not heard from you by 2013-06-30, we will consider that you concur with our findings and we will proceed with action to rectify errors created by erroneous information
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If I read the above quote correctly, if the RCMP are not given the documentation that they requested to establish the SG 540 lineage of the Classic Green by June 30, their conclusion that the SAN family should be prohibited as variants of the SG 550 will stand.
 
SIGNUT said:
TO CSC before post deleted.

refurbished as you posted. these came from SAN, S/A. I get it. i never said a F/A OR C/A came into Canada. i highly doubt a refurb'd F/A could/would go back.
the allegation was as i understand it the SAN was refurbishing used SIG rifles to S/A SAN? I'm not saying this is fact as i cant prove that either way.

BUT if these were X-MIL, that SAN converted. i doubt the RC will be happy (based on my experiences with them at least).

what is facts and what is speculation is yet to be seen. but it will come out one way or another.
PS anyone relying on SUN news should give their head a shake.
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If they were ex mil as alleged they would therefore be C/A. They were never ex mil and SAN has clearly explained that.
 
^ Ya that's what worries me as well..What ever happened to email/fax/courier etc etc. I don't get why you would literally need to fly to Switzerland for these documents.
 
The gun he reported was not C/A
So it was TSE guns that were C/A?
this to me is the confusing part.
even me a layman in the swiss arms world knows the difference, although how they leave the factory confuses me as in I was under the belief C/A to a degree can leave the original manufacture as long as it has not been completely assembled correct or wrong?
 
All that is being proven is that the current laws regarding firearms in Canada are ridiculous, and need to be thrown out. Bloated government is only needlessly spending much needed capital on policing the law abiding...
 
SIGNUT said:
that is my point. if they are x-mill we have a potential issue. if they are not this will all blow over.
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It wont "blow over" unless SAN can prove once and for all to the RCMP that the Swiss Arms Classic Green/Black/Red Star etc. etc. are variants of the 540, NOT the 550 which in the RCMP letter, the RCMP believes they are.

So June 30th we find out.

#### I hate the RCMP and the anti gun/neutral gun Politicians just sitting on their hands.
 
250rg said:
The gun he reported was not C/A
So it was TSE guns that were C/A?
this to me is the confusing part.
even me a layman in the swiss arms world knows the difference, although how they leave the factory confuses me as in I was under the belief C/A to a degree can leave the original manufacture as long as it has not been completely assembled correct or wrong?
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I think it is clear from the facts that TSE thought they could eliminate or otherwise negatively effect CSC's future business with SA and the SAN rifle as a whole. I understand CSC was recently appointed the sole canadian warranty and repair depot for SAN rifles. I would imagine a certain person at TSE would be upset and perhaps vindictive about this. I believe CSC having the only Swiss trained gunsmith in Calgary now played a large part to the award of this status. Throw into the mix that CSC has experienced rapid growth and expansion in the Calgary market in a very short period of time and I think a clear understanding of the true motivation begins to emerge.

I believe JR considers, by his own admission, to be an expert in the SAN platform. Why he sent an obvious S/A rifle to the RCMP for investigation and then supposedly 2 rifles from his own stock that may have contained C/A uppers is anyone's guess. Only an expert could answer that one I guess :)
 
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The 540 and 550 are so close. It is like saying any variant of a 1996 Honda civic is illegal but a variant of a 1995 Honda civic is ok.

Also isn't it reasonable to assume that the improvements made to make the 550 could be made concurrently to make the classic green? Direct lineage is a assumption. In reality they could be two concurrent designs.
 
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