Swiss Arms VS ACR

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I have seen ads with title Swiss Arms Green or black special target, carbine, and flat top non restricted. What are the differences among each other?
 
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Color, barrel length, aperture sights and pic rails.

Read the sticky at the top: Swiss Arms / SAN rifles FAQ

Its all in there.
 
bacardi said:
Which one is the better NR black rifle? Swiss Arms or ACR, and your reason. Thanks
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Well, to start it off, I am an absolute Sigophile, and my Swiss Arms is my all time favourite firearm. Amazingly accurate, ridiculously reliable, soft shooting, and just an all around gorgeous gun.

BUT...

in general terms, the ACR is likely the better gun.

It also is accurate, reliable, and good looking. It also has a free floated barrel, so your POI will not change if you use a bipod. It can very easily have a full length quad rail if you need. It uses AR mags, and therefore pistol mags, from factory (while the Swiss mags may be better, they do not hold 10 rounds in Canada). Different calibre kits are apparently available for it.

Both gun are awesome. However the Swiss is admittedly a bit of a dated design vs. the ACR. I think anyone would be happy with either gun, however if you are asking which is the better gun, particularly in Canada, I would likely say the ACR.
 
Full disclosure: I have never owned or shot a Swiss, only handled them in stores.

First, let's assume they have an equal accuracy potential since they are both very good.

In my mind, this makes the ACR the distinct winner because of:
-Stanag mags
-quick barrel change
-caliber conversions
-monolithic upper reciever rail
-ambi controls
-handguard options (Magpul MOE, Picatinny, Keymod, Mlok.
 
onetwentyish said:
Full disclosure: I have never owned or shot a Swiss, only handled them in stores.

First, let's assume they have an equal accuracy potential since they are both very good.

In my mind, this makes the ACR the distinct winner because of:
-Stanag mags
-quick barrel change
-caliber conversions
-monolithic upper reciever rail
-ambi controls
-handguard options (Magpul MOE, Picatinny, Keymod, Mlok.
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This pretty much sums it up. Both are great, these upgrades make the ACR likely a bit better of a gun all around.
 
Swiss rifle wil "lockup" better, less "wobble" in the pins.

In an NR configuration the Swiss is the lighter rifle. Also less "bulky"
 
J996 said:
First, read this.

http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/550/550techinspection/

Now that that's out of the way:

Want to run optics on Swiss Arms? - Get the target (pic rail version). There is only one modern optic and mount that has nice ergonomics on a diopter model as designed (I will post a pic later).

Want to mount a bunch of accessories to your rifle? - Get the XCR.

Want to shoot from a bipod with your rifle? - Get the XCR.

Don't want to practice learning to use SAN mags? - Get the XCR.

Want to monkey push of the fore end and not expect a poi change? - Get the XCR.

Want a rifle you can do pushups on and run over? - Get the Swiss Arms.
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The XCR and ACR are completely different rifles. I have everybit of faith in the ACR as I do the Swiss, but I can't say the same for the XCR.
 
J996 said:
First, read this.

http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/550/550techinspection/

Now that that's out of the way:

Want to run optics on Swiss Arms? - Get the target (pic rail version). There is only one modern optic and mount that has nice ergonomics on a diopter model as designed (I will post a pic later).

Want to mount a bunch of accessories to your rifle? - Get the XCR.

Want to shoot from a bipod with your rifle? - Get the XCR.

Don't want to practice learning to use SAN mags? - Get the XCR.

Want to monkey push of the fore end and not expect a poi change? - Get the XCR.

Want a rifle you can do pushups on and run over? - Get the Swiss Arms.
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I was asking for ACR and Swiss Arms actually.
 
bacardi said:
I was asking for ACR and Swiss Arms actually.
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Sorry about that, I misread.

The ACR and Swiss Arms are both good rifles with the difference being the ACR is more modern. By that I mean it is better suited for mounting accessories and is not affected by pressure on the fore end. I prefer the SAN but the ACR is good too.
 
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ACR is cheaper and lighter. Swiss Arms is more expensive and heavier.

Built quality? ACR can beat Swiss made rifle?
 
bacardi said:
ACR is cheaper and lighter. Swiss Arms is more expensive and heavier.

Built quality? ACR can beat Swiss made rifle?
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Swiss far better.. in built quality and in realibility, the accuracy look the same. Swiss It' s the roll royce.

Swiss was built for a whole lifetime of a soldier.

ACR is for plinking :) ahah,,, ok serious plinking.
 
bacardi said:
ACR is cheaper and lighter. Swiss Arms is more expensive and heavier.

Built quality? ACR can beat Swiss made rifle?
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If you're talking about NR, the ACR is actually more expensive. There were flat-top Black Specials going on the EE for $2500-$2800 recently. Last NR ACR I saw was like $3500.

edit: nvm, theres a NR ACR up for $2800 now.
 
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If you're talking about NR, the ACR is actually more expensive. There were flat-top Black Specials going on the EE for $2500-$2800 recently. Last NR ACR I saw was like $3500.

edit: nvm, theres a NR ACR up for $2800 now.
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New ACR is cheaper than new Swiss Arms
 
J996 said:
First, read this.

http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/550/550techinspection/

Now that that's out of the way:

Want to run optics on Swiss Arms? - Get the target (pic rail version). There is only one modern optic and mount that has nice ergonomics on a diopter model as designed (I will post a pic later).

Want to mount a bunch of accessories to your rifle? - Get the XCR.

Want to shoot from a bipod with your rifle? - Get the XCR.

Don't want to practice learning to use SAN mags? - Get the XCR.

Want to monkey push of the fore end and not expect a poi change? - Get the XCR.

Want a rifle you can do pushups on and run over? - Get the Swiss Arms.
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An XCR is not an ACR
Buddy wants to compare Swiss Arms to ACR
 
I've owned two different Swiss Arms, and an NR ACR. They were similarly accurate, although I'd give the edge to my ACR. However when you compare features, the ACR wins out, especially with the ability to use AR mags. In a SHTF situation, where the law did not matter, I'd take a 14.5 SA with diopter sights. But for the reality of modern day shooting in Canada, the ACR wins out.



 
#### Proenneke said:
I've owned two different Swiss Arms, and an NR ACR. They were similarly accurate, although I'd give the edge to my ACR. However when you compare features, the ACR wins out, especially with the ability to use AR mags. In a SHTF situation, where the law did not matter, I'd take a 14.5 SA with diopter sights. But for the reality of modern day shooting in Canada, the ACR wins out.
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Interesting, you like the some feature, what about the build quality, ???
 
I think the build quality is pretty good on the acr the main difference I guess would be more of the acr is polymer so it feels a lot more plastic to the touch. Everything is plastic though so who cares really. I think the fit and finish is pretty damn good very tight lock up between the upper and lower and the polymer finish is nicely textured in all the right places. Different firearms but I like them both I think the Swiss will last longer in the long run but I'm sure both will last my usage for a lifetime with minimal parts. I have to install the nea lower on one of my Swiss arms when I finally get around to rounding up parts to put it together the way I want it. Side note the nea lower looks like a quality piece but the finish is a lot different in color and texture from the Swiss so I'm thinking I might have to creakote the finished rifle when I'm done to have it look factory. Other then the charging handle and bolt release being in different spots there both smooth rifles and very similar .
 
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