Swiss Arms VS ACR
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I'm not going to stop buying great rifles based on possibilities. Yes it's truly terrifying but let's keep to the thread creators question. Again no offence to anyone I'm not looking for a fight with allies. To be honest I heard there was quality control issues with the ACR? However I have no validation just what I heard initially
The cf hasn't unless it was a cansofcom venture and I just left
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According to wiki, it looks like Poland adopted some, probably what has inspired their very ACR-esk FB Radom bullpup/conventional rifle that they are now producing.
While I understand why people jump on the military use bandwagon, I do believe there are many excellent and reliable designs out there that don't get picked up strictly because they are lacking the established aftermarket and low cost that the AR design has achieved in the last 50 years of evolution.
It is simply next to impossible to justify a new platform that costs 2-3x as much and has limited accessories currently available, and the end result is it spits lead down range with no real measurable difference of effectiveness from an AR.
Until we start shooting something that can't be shot out of an AR, AR's will hog the market as the most well developed and supported.
The Joe-Man
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You just described pretty much exactly what happened with the SCAR 16.
Throttle_monkey1
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I've owned both. I bought #### Proenekke's non-restricted ACR and it was a laser in the gopher fields. I also had a non restricted SAN carbine (rebarreled by heron arms).
Fit & finish + build quality goes to the SAN hands down.
I never shot for accuracy the same way I did with the ACR. I feel the ACR was more consistent without the POI shift.
The SAN is bombproof, the ACR more modern and more modular. In hindsight I should have kept both of them. ####.
Fit & finish + build quality goes to the SAN hands down.
I never shot for accuracy the same way I did with the ACR. I feel the ACR was more consistent without the POI shift.
The SAN is bombproof, the ACR more modern and more modular. In hindsight I should have kept both of them. ####.
I believe the Polish military used some.
It's like any non free float rifles, ARs and C7A2 included. Since the hand guard is attached to the barrel, putting pressure on the handguard is like putting pressure on the barrel, just rest on the mag.
Same effect if you rest a sub-MOA hunting gun's barrel on anything to shoot it.
Same effect if you rest a sub-MOA hunting gun's barrel on anything to shoot it.
It's a somewhat dated piece of kit albeit well built, like the vz 58 system, AKs and our current gens C7.
As things progress, there is almost a new category of firearms between true milsurps and modern military rifles.
Call them Cold War guns.
As things progress, there is almost a new category of firearms between true milsurps and modern military rifles.
Call them Cold War guns.
I never had the POI shift with the swiss that some here are claiming in the 5-6" range or other high numbers I have read in other posts.
I had every version, sniper, classic, carbine, flat top carbine and CQB at one point. Maybe I just got lucky, but I doubt it. I could get POI shift in various shooting scenarions with certain models, but not even close to the extreme 5-6" range some have posted they experienced
I like the ACR because of the caliber change ability, but the swiss sniper still is the most accurate factory NR 223 Semi auto rifle available in Canada I have owned and fired period
I found I can make it shift and I can also prevent it from shifting by the same precautions I take with any rifle by not supporting it via putting tension on the barrel. But 5-6" is not realistic shift under normal shooting conditions at all.
I am sure I can make every rifle I own shift it's POI a lot, but it is not something I feel the need to try and make happen, shooting a rifle when purposefully putting the barrel under extra tension also increases wear exponentially
What precautions do u use? I'm not questioning your methods I just wanna learn
What is better? For the range and accuracy maybe the ACR is the better of the two. If your life depends on a rifle, in super harsh conditions, where there is no smith or spare parts, hands down the Swiss arms.
There is not contest between the two when studying the quality of the actual materials uses. A san can hold its accuracy up to 10,000 rounds of full auto. a san mag is tested to withstand 30,000 rounds without any expected malfunctions. not so with AR mags. The shear strength of the springs, pins and other materials in the san, is double and sometimes triple that of the ACR's.
The CQB is the most accurate of the san family as the poi is affected least in the short barrel. I used to post a sub moa target that was shot out of my CQB. The swiss have annual competitions shooting their san's at 300m and they produce impressive targets.
Vihtavouri powder has produced the most accurate results in most SAN"s I have seen tested.
I prefer the SAN for the above mentioned reasons.
No piston gun is as accurate as a free floated barreled gun, but that is not why you buy a piston gun. If you want accuracy at the range buy a bolt. or highly tuned AR
There is not contest between the two when studying the quality of the actual materials uses. A san can hold its accuracy up to 10,000 rounds of full auto. a san mag is tested to withstand 30,000 rounds without any expected malfunctions. not so with AR mags. The shear strength of the springs, pins and other materials in the san, is double and sometimes triple that of the ACR's.
The CQB is the most accurate of the san family as the poi is affected least in the short barrel. I used to post a sub moa target that was shot out of my CQB. The swiss have annual competitions shooting their san's at 300m and they produce impressive targets.
Vihtavouri powder has produced the most accurate results in most SAN"s I have seen tested.
I prefer the SAN for the above mentioned reasons.
No piston gun is as accurate as a free floated barreled gun, but that is not why you buy a piston gun. If you want accuracy at the range buy a bolt. or highly tuned AR
