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This just pissed alot of people off! I hope this is the last straw and us firearm owners ban together and do something about the powers that they have regarding firearms in this country.
 
Dear MP Mark Strahl,

It has come to my attention that the RCMP is pushing forward with its apparent agenda to disarm legal firearm owners in Canada, in the wake of the scrapping of the long-gun registry . Recently a firearm that was classified as "non restricted" was re- classified as "prohibited" , and no compensation is planned for the owners. The firearm, which is apparently first on the list of those to be re-reviewed is a "Swiss Arms classic green rifle".


To my knowledge no one in canada has been harmed by a classic green rifle and no crimes have been committed with one.

I am horrified that the government is costing all those LEGAL owners of these firearms thousands of dollars ( average price $3000) for thier own frivolous change of heart.

Please stop the RCMP from disarming legal Canadian gun owners, and have them go control the real criminal problems we have in this country. Law-abiding hunters and shooters are not and never have been part of the problem. We appear to be an easy target for the RCMP, and I have not heard any politicians standing up for us.

Please be the first to publicly decry this unfair, unjustified and spiteful attack on us by the RCMP.


Sincerely

Chris S
 
I dont own a Swiss arms ( wish i did) and ive never written to an MP.

this is just too much.

Emailing an mp is super easy , BTW. just google the name and fill in the box. Who knew?
 
BeaverMeat said:
Well...

The gloves are off and someone is about to get jersey'd.
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Not in this country my friend. Canadian Gun Owners are likely to do nothing again. We still have those folks that believe firearms ownership in Canada is a privilege. It is not, it is a right. A right it something you assert. A Government cannot grant rights in law, it can only recognize them. Just because they haven't recognized it doesn't mean it isn't so. I called for the FED UP III rally years ago, and the march on Ottawa, and I was ridiculed for it. We will either band together now, or it will not matter at all because only the police and the military will have the guns. Then we are no longer citizens of Canada but subjects of the Government.
 
Do you have a Swiss Arms rifle? Are you thinking about turning it in?

I'll buy it from you. 100$, No questions asked. And then I'll turn it in. Yeah. I promise.
 
Isadorcj said:
The question being: if Long gun registry was FUKIN removed, HOW THE FK DID THEY KNOW WHO HAD THIS GUN OR NOT !?!?!?!?!?!
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Nailed it.... all the NR owners are safe!

*CAUTION to the tinfoil hat wearing folk, the next sentence might make your sphincter twitch*

When the knock at the door comes... "Oh I'm sorry Occifer, I sold it to a fellow who had a valid PAL! I cannot remember his particulars."

only downside is that rifle is now a safe queen :(

That being said, anyone want to sell a NR version for cheap? PM me! I'd love to tell "the man/occifer" that shows up at my door to very kindly (and politically) f**k off.
 
I edited my original letter template to be more relevant to the current situation, but seriously it didn't take much.

Here's the contact info for the MP's, PSM, and PM along with a letter template that I allow (encourage) public use of. All of this is found in post two in this thread should I need to update it again.

This letter has been featured on the Calgary Shooting Center site, and I allow (encourage) other vendors and site sponsors to host it on their site as well. To be clear this letter is allowed for public use by individuals, firearms organizations, or businesses, just get the word out.

loki_81 said:
Here's mine, pretty well a direct copy paste from here;

Here's my letter to the MP's, Public safety Minister, and the PM. I give permission for alteration, direct use, and reposting in other communities. If reposting in other communities just give credit to this thread and the author please ;).

I ask that you take the time to copy this into a word processor or notepad document, put a space enough to hand sign the letter and under that space to type your name out. It looks more professional and you're trying to be taken seriously. Mailed in letters do not require postage and they are taken much more seriously than an email.

For you MP or if you live in the riding of the PM or Public Safety Minister a face to face delivery and quick conversation goes a long way.

This is addressed to Stephen Harper, when using it for other MP's and the Safety minister don't forget to change the adressee ;). Use their name and if possible title or office.

Here's how to contact your MP by Postal Code.
Here's how to search the MP's by name.

Here's the contact information for Stephen Harper.
Here's the contact information for the Honourable Steven Blaney, Public Safety Minister.
Here's the contact information for Garry Breitkreuz
Here's the contact information for Candice Bergen (formerly Candice Hoeppner)

That being said this is my letter, which isn't being sent until tomorrow so if I have some facts wrong or it needs some editing please feel free to critique. Folks please don't start fighting as I'd like this thread to stay open and available to the use of the membership for reference and if they'd like to print off copies to send off.

Sources for my information;
Swiss rifle clubs in Canada - hxxp://wxw.germanresource.com/clubs_swiss_canada.php
RCMP BD38 reclassification briefing to the Public Safety Minister from August 08 2012 - http://nfa.ca/sites/default/files/RCMP - SSD BD38 Reclassification.pdf
Swiss Arms and Kriss imported 2001 - 2013 - http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...rearms-imported-to-date&p=8759185#post8759185
And a general shout out to the CGN membership, members who've worked hard figuring out the facts of the matter, and businesses working toward a solution. Thank you, you know who you are. :D



********************************Here's my letter************************


Dear Right Honourable Prime Minister Stephen Harper;

It has come to my attention that there are multiple firearms reviews and potential reclassifications currently underway by the firearms lab.

The Firearms Act is allowing the persecution of law abiding productive Canadian citizens and theft of their property. There needs to be responsible firearms reform, reform that doesn't punish the law abiding, doesn't make paper criminals, and stops make work projects that allow budgets to go back to street level police work. The Firearms Lab is doing the Swiss Arms reclassification by the basis of the Firearms Act, an act that the Conservative Government promised to restructure. This reclassification will turn thousands of law-abiding owners of these rifles into criminals overnight as of February 27 2014, and cost the public treasury a minimum of Eight Million ($8 000 000) in buy backs. If no government buy back is offered you are silently allowing the theft of Eight Million dollars of public property. The cost of Eight Million doesn't include education of the reclassification to the public and front line Policing should confiscation be required, which will spiral the cost to be several times more than Eight Million.

This Government is silently allowing this current trend of reclassification by the Firearms Lab by not restructuring the Firearms Act to a sensible law. Removal of the Firearms Act from the Criminal Code is necessary, along with the removal of mandatory minimum sentencing for licensed firearms owners. The terms “variant” and “easily converted into full automatic” can be applied to any action of firearm, manual or semi-automatic and these terms need clear lawful definition or removal from the Firearms Act. The ability to convert something into full automatic isn’t what should be punished, it is already illegal to convert a firearm to full automatic and it should be the action of conversion of a firearm that should be criminally punished, not the ability to do so. The silence of the Government on the allowance of the Firearms Lab to interpret poorly written laws, and the Government not keeping their promise to restructure the Firearms Act into sensible law is, by default, allowance of the prosecution of law abiding citizens and theft of their property.

I respectfully request that you redraft the Firearms Act as promised prior to your being elected to government. I request the redraft to remove the Firearms Act from the Criminal Code and to have balance in it so as to not punish the law abiding firearms owner with prison or confiscation of their property. With the redrafting of the Firearms Act I request that you remove the Firearms Lab from the control of the RCMP, and place control into an impartial Civilian lab with built in checks and balances with secondary Civilian oversight that has the power to veto decisions made by the Firearms Lab and investigate personnel.

Finally I request that you first take action to ensure the current lawful owners of the rifles that are currently being examined for reclassification get to keep their property and use it as they have lawfully done in the past twelve years without fear of confiscation or criminal charges, and so that they may sell it to other licensed firearms owners or pass it on to their heirs. This could be as simple and cost effective as introducing an Order In Council that the removes the SG-550 rifle and SG-551 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them from the prohibited firearms list, should the RCMP Firearms lab rule the Swiss Arms as a variant of those rifles. This would show that you are truly on the side of lawful Farmers, Hunters, and Sport Shooters and plan to move forward with sensible Firearms Act reform in the future.

Thank you for your time and consideration into this matter. I assure you that should you act on these matters you will consolidate your voting base of One Million Seven Hundred Thousand (1 700 000) licensed Firearms owners and assure their votes for well into the future.

Respectfully yours,




Type your name here and sign above it ;).
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FawkQ said:
Nailed it.... all the NR owners are safe!

*CAUTION to the tinfoil hat wearing folk, the next sentence might make your sphincter twitch*

When the knock at the door comes... "Oh I'm sorry Occifer, I sold it to a fellow who had a valid PAL! I cannot remember his particulars."

only downside is that rifle is now a four feet under the backyard queen:(

That being said, anyone want to sell a NR version for cheap? PM me! I'd love to tell "the man/occifer" that shows up at my door to very kindly (and politically) f**k off.
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Fixed it. No way in #### are they not gonna look in your safe.
 
Here's a question: are these rifles simply being prohib'd because the RCMP believes they are built on recycled military receivers? Maybe there is a manufacturer out there who'd love to build 1000 or so new receivers under a new FRT#? If I had one I'd be stripping the parts off it right now.
Also, what's the compatibility with the SIG rifles coming up from South America? Aren't they copied off a Swiss design or am I mistaken? I unfortunately haven't had the pleasure of owning one.
My last question, are the other versions under review as well or do they all have separate FRT#?

*posted this in one of the other threads. Just curious if anyone has some answers...
 
kennymo said:
Also, what's the compatibility with the SIG rifles coming up from South America? Aren't they copied off a Swiss design or am I mistaken? I unfortunately haven't had the pleasure of owning one.
My last question, are the other versions under review as well or do they all have separate FRT#?

*posted this in one of the other threads. Just curious if anyone has some answers...
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The Chilean SG540 is not a copy of the 550. The 550 is derived from the 540, which is not prohibited and has just passed an RCMP inspection. This Swiss Arms ruling should not affect the newly imported Chilean 540 series of rifles. Of course, the RCMP want those banned as well, so we need to draw the line in the sand right now before these thugs try and ban more of our legally owned property.
 
how the hell is the RCMP going to KNOW who owns these anymore,,,they CAN'T ,,,,so it will be a scare tactic to get the owners to bring them in,,,i doubt VERY much that someone hardcore enough to spend 3 grand on a gun is going to turn it in simply because some whynie ass agency says so,,,if they can't find them,,what are they going to do,,,LOL..sure you wont be able to take it to a public range,,but there a lot of people in rural areas that will still play with their guns no problems,,if the owners of these guns DONT turn them in,,,it will send a clear message to the RCMP that even if they want to bully legal gun owners,,it's NOT working,,same thing as when they brought in the Long gun registry,,,they adverstised that they would have all long guns registered within 2 years,,,DIDN'T HAPPEN,,,,so they offered an amnesty for another 2 years,,DIDN'T HAPPEN AGAIN,,,then they made it a federal offense to own un-registered,,,DIDN'T WORK AGAIN,,,people kept their guns and REFUSED to register them,,,RCMP hated this,,a slap in their face,,,now years later,,,after only 10% of people having their PRE-LGR registering them,,,the LGR was dumped because of the costs associated with the program,,,,NOw,,if gun owners finally get their ass of the couch and start FIGHTING the governemt,,this can stop,,ANTIs are NOT that powerfull..it's the people who dont care or dont know our ridiculous gun laws that we NEED to get too,,,although they may not care about gun laws,,they DO care about their TAX dollars,,,if we can educate them as to what stupidity of the RCMP classification,,,AND the COST comming from THEIR tax dollars,,,we can wake them up to make a difference,,,NOTHING PISSES OFF POEPLE MORE THAN WASTED TAX DOLLARS,,might even wake up the other political parties,,to re-think our gun laws,,,make the costs of the Firearms program PUBLIC,,,,Ontario alone spends about 7 millions dollars a years of running the various firearms programs,,,WASTED tax dollars...the ONLY sure fire way to get people up and take notice is through their Bank account,,,let the people know how their money is being WASTED,,,even the gun uneducated and NON gun owners CARES about where their money goes,,,
 
ow the hell is the RCMP going to KNOW who owns these anymore,,,they CAN'T ,,,,so it will be a scare tactic to get the owners to bring them in,,,i doubt VERY much that someone hardcore enough to spend 3 grand on a gun is going to turn it in simply because some whynie ass agency says so,,,if they can't find them,,what are they going to do,
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(a) High river has demonstrated that they still know a lot about where guns are.
(b) They might not find it now, but if they ever do you are in possession of a prohibited firearm without a license or registration, and have breaches ss. 91 and 92 of the criminal code. If you have ammo for it, you've also breached s. 95 (possibly). Section 95 carries a minimum sentence of 3 years in prison.
 
Paul Morrison said:
(a) High river has demonstrated that they still know a lot about where guns are.
(b) They might not find it now, but if they ever do you are in possession of a prohibited firearm without a license or registration, and have breaches ss. 91 and 92 of the criminal code. If you have ammo for it, you've also breached s. 95 (possibly). Section 95 carries a minimum sentence of 3 years in prison.
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Bang on Paul... And we ALL KNOW what that will look like when the F^%ING PATHETIC CORRUPT MEDIA reports it!
"Loner middle aged single man charged with possession of PROHIBITED WEAPONS"
"6 YEARS IN PRISON"
"NEIGHBOURS SAY HE WAS A QUIET MAN"
"POLICE LOOKING INTO RECENT MURDERS IN AREA THAT COULD BE TIED TOI HIM"

This is how it will go down... The F%^ING MEDIA will destroy it in one step.
And all the dumb sheeple who read the paper will feel so reassured that one
more "murderer" has been caught by our wonderful Leaders who are there for
our safety................. Ya, pathetic.
 
Still waiting for a press release from the RCMP, or some source other than the NFA Facebook post, to verify this.

I'm already annoyed with the cryptic nature of the recent NFA FB posts. If this turns out to be false/a hoax, I am going to be pissed.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think the NFA would do that on purpose, and I am grateful for what they do.
 
is it possible for the owners to strip their guns and only surrender the receiver to the police, so if one day a purpose buits semi auto frame is manufactured and approved, they could rebuilt it legally?
I'm looking at this and start to think of what could also happen to the cz858.
 
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