Switzer's Auction today

KotKotofeich said:
On one hand reloaded ammo is sold as a source of components, buyer's risk and responsibility... I believe that note protects the consignor from liability...? It's not a bad way to offload existing ammo, especially from estates, instead of just garbaging it...

On the other, just making some ammo to sell this way is a bit unethical. Just sell the components.
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Yes the auction house and consignor is protected from liability. Like I said, its a thought I have had not an action I have taken. I do question your comment on ethics though. In what way would this be unethical ? I have had more issues with factory ammunition than I have ever had with my own reloads. Furthermore, I have seen some absolute garbage being put on the market by commercial re-loaders. I load around 35k per year on average and have done so for just shy of 15 years. Lets say I have loaded 500,000 rounds of ammo in my life time. I can count on one hand the issues I have had. 1 squib load due to incorrectly published data (winchester 296 does not appreciate being loaded even the slightest bit on the light side). I am incredibly meticulous and cautious when I load. IMO, if you allow others to shoot your reloads, it is no different at all than selling them if we are to look at it from an ethics standpoint.

As I said, I have thought about it but I have not done it as components are valued to me. I have and will auction off the rest of my reloads that are surplus to my needs as I simply do not have the time or desire to pull them apart and the components are valued and sought after.
 
You are right, unethical is not the word I'm looking for. Nor is "illegal" - the reasons for it being illegal is that the government declared it so, whatever, we are all on the same page here about things the government declares illegal and whether it is right and justified. And I don't mean to accuse you, my apologies - I did note you were likely only jesting that you would make some to sell.

But if you are not prepared to openly sell ammo you make, that you make use of the auction disclaimer to protect yourself from the liability, then you also must feel there's something not quite right about selling reloaded ammo? What it is I do not have the right word for.

An excellent point - that letting someone use one's reloads is the same as selling... And you are right - I also had more trouble with factory ammo than I ever had with my reloads though I'm not up to your numbers.
 
KotKotofeich said:
You are right, unethical is not the word I'm looking for. Nor is "illegal" - the reasons for it being illegal is that the government declared it so, whatever, we are all on the same page here about things the government declares illegal and whether it is right and justified. And I don't mean to accuse you, my apologies - I did note you were likely only jesting that you would make some to sell.

But if you are not prepared to openly sell ammo you make, that you make use of the auction disclaimer to protect yourself from the liability, then you also must feel there's something not quite right about selling reloaded ammo? What it is I do not have the right word for.

An excellent point - that letting someone use one's reloads is the same as selling... And you are right - I also had more trouble with factory ammo than I ever had with my reloads though I'm not up to your numbers.
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Yes 100% jesting that I would purposely make some ammo just to push through the auction. It is just crazy seeing the prices even reloads sell for.

I would be prepared to openly sell if it was legal. Unfortunately the licensing and permits make it out of reach for a guy who would only be able to supply a few thousand a month lol. I believe that there should be legal avenues to sell custom reloads without having to jump through the same hoops a company who plans to push out millions of rounds per year. Basic licensing and routing testing to take care of any public safety concerns should be available. Offering different levels of licensing and permits based on how much you produce. Aside from that, I don't feel there is anything wrong with it. We blindly put our trust in commercial manufacturers by why? They have been responsible for catastrophic failures and injuries they just have a better insurance policy. A few years ago I bought something crazy like 13 or so cases of reloaded 40 s&w 180 grain HST's that was reloaded for the OPP by a very creditable person. The OPP used to buy reloaded ammunition to use for training (no longer the case). This fellow had built up quite the inventory before his passing and I had shot his reloads on multiple occasions prior to. At that time, no one would buy reloads so they sold for pennies on the dollar. If I remember correctly I think I paid something like $50-$75 per case. I trusted his reloads just as I trusted factory ammunition.

At the end of the day when I dropped 50 reloads I wanted to get rid of off at the auction house I told them they were reloads and should be sold as components. What they do in the end is up to them however, its ultimately up to the end user.
 
I didn’t get anything from Switzers but that Kidd auction I got one of my dream rifles, Steyr Export Model 1904 - I should make a thread for it, it’s all matching and I paid a very very very reasonable price for it.
 
Coffice said:
I didn’t get anything from Switzers but that Kidd auction I got one of my dream rifles, Steyr Export Model 1904 - I should make a thread for it, it’s all matching and I paid a very very very reasonable price for it.
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Just love hearing some one getting a great deal
or treasure in a gun auction ... skwerl
 
green said:
Did the Steyr have UVF stamp?
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No stamp, unmarked save for a Romanian proof mark on the receiver. Another example of suspected modification of Romanian contract M1893’s.

Some of the UVF guns landed unmarked as well. Not the first one I’ve seen with nothing. One went at auction three years ago or so also unmarked. Was in similar shape and went for way over what I paid…
 
I got the Canadian mk1 marked Bren tripod. I tried to stay reasonable, but the photos of the CCM marked T&E along with the stops, the early date and the C/l\ had me hooked. In the end, my bid was somewhat reasonable, but the taxes and buyers fees sure add up. Still waiting to see the shipping cost.
 
Coffice said:
No stamp, unmarked save for a Romanian proof mark on the receiver. Another example of suspected modification of Romanian contract M1893’s.

Some of the UVF guns landed unmarked as well. Not the first one I’ve seen with nothing. One went at auction three years ago or so also unmarked. Was in similar shape and went for way over what I paid…
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I wanted 'The Hand'. Only reason I let you have it.
 
R005t3r said:
I wanted 'The Hand'. Only reason I let you have it.
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One was on Gunbroker last year but it was hella wrote off.

I missed the last two and was willing to go ham for this one. I’m glad it didn’t go crazy this time. Thank you for considering poor little me :)
 
Jahnj0584 said:
How do you partake in these?
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Go to "icollector.com", sign up for an account, and take it from there! You just sign-in to your account, check out upcoming auctions (Canadian Gun Auctions = Wards, Landsborough or Switzers), check out the listings and bid away. Most bigger auction houses will close out the bidding with a live auction that you can participate in via the wonders of the interweb.

It can be a lot of fun, but also financially tempting! It is important to set personal limits with maximum bids. Ah, who am I kidding? I'm just as bad as the next guy for bidding up my "Must Have" items!!
 
The only one I was really interested in was the 1893 Ottoman Mauser, but at 2185$+ taxes someone else can have it, I will just bide my time for one.
Funniest one I saw was the Norinco 1897 shotgun clone, which went for 488.75$+tax and shipping when you can buy a brand new one for 479.95$+tax and shipping
 
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