So I know there's been plenty of criticism of the Stoeger double defense, but I actually like the idea of a boxlock for home defense. Ya, its only two shots, but with ejectors you could reload awful fast. I really don't see the issue. Theres nothing more reliable, plus you could easily mount rails top and bottom,and have choice of two rounds.................I think I'm gonna build it. Why not?
SxS defense shotgun
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Parents woke up one morning at the cottage to find a bear on the deck.
After that Dad got his PAL, and I bought him the Maverick HS 12 Thunder Ranch Over Under with a couple boxes of low recoil Federal Tru-Ball slugs and Remington low recoil 00 Buck.
He was 63 at the time, and I figured the fewer steps he had to get it loaded and ready to fire, the better and he was pretty quick on the reload.
After that Dad got his PAL, and I bought him the Maverick HS 12 Thunder Ranch Over Under with a couple boxes of low recoil Federal Tru-Ball slugs and Remington low recoil 00 Buck.
He was 63 at the time, and I figured the fewer steps he had to get it loaded and ready to fire, the better and he was pretty quick on the reload.
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People in decent middle class first world neighbourhoods have some funny ideas on home defense shotguns. I'd say borderline naive.
Bettin' if you were facing a real situation you'd be wishing for at least a good reliable pump.
No offence intended, just find people make odd decisions from a safe perspective.
There's nothing wrong with them, Louis Awerbuck used to keep one handy.
Speaking of Awerbuck, I've seen him and a number of other shotgun training gurus manage to short stroke their pumps on their own training videos, so you can bet its a potential issue for lesser trained folks under deady stress.
At least with the SxS, you have two shots more or less for sure.
Eaglelord17
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A SxS isn't a bad idea. With the way our laws are and requiring the firearm to be unloaded, you can certainly get a SxS loaded quicker than your standard pump (open action, stick two in, close action). It is also easier to use so less worry about screwing up under stress. And just like a revolver it requires less training to be proficient in its use (in comparison to the alternatives).
It meets the KISS criteria and from a realistic standpoint as soon as a firearm is brought into the equation in Canada that should be enough to end the issue. If you require more than 2rds you have really pissed off the wrong people and you likely should be in some sort of protection program (in which case you would be allow concealed carry and better options).
It meets the KISS criteria and from a realistic standpoint as soon as a firearm is brought into the equation in Canada that should be enough to end the issue. If you require more than 2rds you have really pissed off the wrong people and you likely should be in some sort of protection program (in which case you would be allow concealed carry and better options).
Greenhorse six
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Single shot with ejectors might be even quicker .
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The nay sayers always seem to be under the impression that people are going to be facing the entire Hell's angels and outlaws crew combined, and without at least one pump a couple of handguns and a few bandoleers of ammo you're not going to survive. I wouldn't turn my nose up at one of my coach guns, and I highly doubt the bad guy is going to laugh at you for only having a double barrel pointed at him
My only real reservation would be that most of the non vintage SxS' I've seen that are actually affordable are rough and cheapish.
I'm not saying that a bespoke grade item is needed, but I'd be a bit leery of running some of them as a defensive gun without a tuning job at least.
I'm not saying that a bespoke grade item is needed, but I'd be a bit leery of running some of them as a defensive gun without a tuning job at least.
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Brutus
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It may or may not be the first shotgun I would choose, however a vintage Parkhurst 10 gauge SxS coach gun is not so bad.
Especially with my recent successful experiments with the old timey buck & ball loading.
A single .58 Speer round ball nestled upon three 0000 buckshot. Powered by 85 grains of Goex.
Especially with my recent successful experiments with the old timey buck & ball loading.
A single .58 Speer round ball nestled upon three 0000 buckshot. Powered by 85 grains of Goex.
Ok, this needs to go in the direction of Zombie defense now.
Everyone knows essential Zombie defense must be a 12 gauge pump action with Hornady Z-Max 00 bk rounds. Pretty sure that's a self evident thing, might even have been made official somewhere.
Not a terrible idea just not the best but if you really want a SxS for HD then look at something like an old Baikal coach gun like the boys n gals use for CAS. A seriously better idea is a pump action though and not one that is all tricked out and tacti-cool but something simple like a 870 with a 18" tube and wood furniture (so when you are in Court down the road it won't look like you were really tooling up and hoping for the day to come when you had to go to HD mode).
That's tongue in cheek I'm sure but it brings up something interesting. I have several friends in the US in States that have explicit castle doctrine law. Those States still have anti gun prosecutors that will try to screw you over.
One of the ways they will try to do that is by looking at the firearm the home owner used. A couple of my buddies (in different States) were told by police it is better to use a firearm one would typically use for hunting with ammo that is marketed as hunting ammo as opposed to guns and ammunition marketed as self defense or personal protection even though it may be exactly the same as the hunting ammo in a different box. They say the prosecutors would try to argue you were basically arming yourself with self defence gear hoping someone would break in so you could shoot them.
